So I finally watched Cotto vs Mayorga last night......

What are you gonna say then when Mayorga puts Canelo on his ass if they fight in September? We can bet 10 million on that one, Canelo is putting Mayorga to sleep under 6. Mayorga is DONE. He's a grown ass man so he should act like a child and punch the guy in the face? And Cotto doesn't know for a fact that he did load his gloves. He's not gonna assault someone based on speculation. How do you think the boxing world would view Cotto for such an act? The only person acting like a tough guy is you. Let's be real here, you wouldn't punch Marg in the face under the same circumstances. As for the topic, yes both fighters are past it. Mayorga more so than Cotto, obviously, but it was still a good scrap. And while Cotto has seen better days, he still has enough left in him to give a world champ (albeit a less than impressive one) his first loss and go 12 rounds with a former world champ. To say that Marg, a fighter who has arguably suffered more damage than Cotto, is going to run through him is absurd. Cotto has said that he believes Marg DID load his gloves, so don't say one thing but when the man is in front of you do another. Good scrap? What fukin fight were you watching? Whoever paid to see that trash is a fukin idiot. When you fight Mayorga, it's because you need a confidence boost, everyone knows this. It was a joke of a fight. Let me tell you something, I will swear on everything I hold dear in my life I would punch Margarito in the fukin mouth if I believed that. It's not me being a tough guy, it's out of fukin principle. If I felt or believed that he loaded his gloves, I might do worse. I have been involved in the boxing game for a long time and that is the biggest sin you can commit. There is no excuse for that IF Marg did that, so I wouldn't hesitate, you have no clue who I am but if you did, you would know that's no bullsh1t.

Because if he's in trouble he's going to be running like he did vs Pac. I ain't going higher than 1 million, Fantastic! :rofl: I just don't see a rematch being much more dramatic than the first. It's been since three years since that and neither fighter is the same. What happened in the first fight was the stuff of epic proportions. If those two try to make a second fight with the kind of bombs both landed, there could be a stoppage for either one. Either Cotto crumbles and the ref steps in, or Tony's face is turned into mush from facial damage and the ref stops it with Margarito pressing forward every second... This is one of those cases where the anticipation is going to be greater than the fight itself... I'm pretty sold on that. The bet still stands if anyone wants it... :boxing:

First off, what a sh1tty fight. I can't believe Mayorga is even a pro boxer at this point. He looked slow, was winging punches and his feet were stuck in concrete. Cotto on the other hand looked gun shy, he wasn't throwing anything, was standing right in front of Mayorga and was getting hit with punches that 4 years ago wouldn't have touched him. I know that people here believe that Stewart has done something special with Cotto and that he has more movement but I honestly don't see it. Cotto should be looking great against a washed up bum like Mayorga. Cotto was throwing 2-3 jabs and following up with nothing....It seemed like he was gun shy or didn't want to step into range. I understand the plan was to box but Mayorga was so wide open for shots it wasn't even funny. Cotto of but a few years back knocks him out in under 4 rounds. If this version gets into the ring with the version of Margarito that fought Pacquaio, Cotto gets murdered. If I was Stewart, I would keep as far away from Marg as possible but considering that might be Cotto's only big money fight left, he may have no choice. No disrespect to Cotto, hell of a fighter but I think he's lost a lot in the past few years and the way he was standing in front of Mayorga and getting hit with slow looping shots, Margarito is not someone he needs to be fighting in the near future. That's the thing, I'm always hearing how he has one of the best jabs, but if he can't follow up with it then whats the point? Cotto's greatest performance was against Shane, mixed up his attack to the head and body, used the jab to set up the straight right hand. Even against Margarito we saw glimpses of that, Cotto's long gone. I ain't tryin' to hear shit on how he would give Mayweather a competitive fight, that's bull. In the bold, I disagree there. I think Cotto, Mosley and Pacquiao have taken so much out of Tony that I honestly see Margarito getting stopped in a possible rematch.

Aw, **** it! Who wants in on this straight bet? 1 million vs. Anyone's 1 million that Cotto isn't stopped if a rematch ever happens. Regardless who wins, I'm predicting that Cotto makes it to the final bell if this fight is signed. Only one bet as I don't wanna' be e-broke.

I train young kids in a gym, I was said "basement" because borderpatrol made that joke. As far as punching Marg, Cotto isn't a child, he's a grown ass man. If he truly believed that Marg loaded his glove, fuk yea he should have hit him. Don't act like a tough guy when he's not around, then put your head down and shake his hand like he's your friend. I wasn't the only one that said that by the way.... He's a grown ass man so he should act like a child and punch the guy in the face? And Cotto doesn't know for a fact that he did load his gloves. He's not gonna assault someone based on speculation. How do you think the boxing world would view Cotto for such an act? The only person acting like a tough guy is you. Let's be real here, you wouldn't punch Marg in the face under the same circumstances. As for the topic, yes both fighters are past it. Mayorga more so than Cotto, obviously, but it was still a good scrap. And while Cotto has seen better days, he still has enough left in him to give a world champ (albeit a less than impressive one) his first loss and go 12 rounds with a former world champ. To say that Marg, a fighter who has arguably suffered more damage than Cotto, is going to run through him is absurd.

I train young kids in a gym, I was said "basement" because borderpatrol made that joke. As far as punching Marg, Cotto isn't a child, he's a grown ass man. If he truly believed that Marg loaded his glove, fuk yea he should have hit him. Don't act like a tough guy when he's not around, then put your head down and shake his hand like he's your friend. I wasn't the only one that said that by the way.... What does my name have anything to do with it? If you actually read my post you would know I wasn't dissing Cotto, I just said he's not the same fighter. As far as Mayorga,....he looked good? Hahaha he was slapping with his punches, couldn't move and was sitting there waiting to get KO'd. Cotto of a few years back knocks him out under 4. Mayorga is washed up, finished and has no business in the ring anymore. Fighters fight Mayorga to get their confidence back because it's a guaranteed KO. What are you gonna say then when Mayorga puts Canelo on his ass if they fight in September?

I agree. Out of Pacquiao's last six opponents (Díaz, DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito), Cotto and Margarito have dealt out the most punishment to Pacquiao. All of those guys have lost to Pacquiao brutally (score-wise, punch stat-wise, damage-wise) but it's important to note that Cotto and Margarito left their mark on Pacquiao. Cotto gives Pacquiao caulitflower ear, and Margarito--despite losing the fight and having his face re-arranged--used his weight advantage to catch Pacquiao's attention several times during the fight and in round 6 had Pacquiao doing a lap around the ring to catch his breath. I seriously believe people overlook the punches he took in those two fights and only see the W. BTW, on the Cotto-Margarito rematch if it ever happens...it's too early for me to make an outright prediction (since I haven't seen or heard anything regarding training, sparring partners or whatnot), but if they were to fight tomorrow, I would say the following: Margarito showed in the Pacquiao fight that, despite the punishment he took in his fights with Cotto and Mosley, that he still has a ton of heart and a monster chin. Normally chins crack after repeated use but Margarito has not shown signs of slipping in taking punches. I'm wondering whether or not this is the time where Margarito's chin shows its dents, though if I were a betting man I wouldn't really believe it's at this time. The question that I find myself asking (and in fact, what I believe will happen): Margarito can take a punch, but will his face hold up? Cotto doesn't punch as much as Pacquiao nor does he have the same movement or stamina as him. My prediction, and call it wishful thinking, is that Cotto controls the first three or four rounds of the fight as he did before, Margarito's chin is showing its endurance as usual, but somewhere along the way Cotto begins to backpedal again but keeping more composure than he did in the first fight. Margarito's pressure begins to pay off around the ninth where it shows Cotto's vulnerability and he begins to retreat. Margarito's face is not holding up but he's showing that he still can walk through Cotto's shots and that he can't be stunned or rocked by Cotto. Cotto is retreating in the 11th (not as bloody, but still tired) and the referee stops the fight because of Margarito's facial damage in a questionable stoppage where Margarito seemed to be getting the upper hand in the fight slowly but surely. After the fight, Puerto Rican posters rejoice, PRBoxingCotto goes on a thread starting spree saying how this was bigger and more relevant than Sánchez/Gómez, and Mexican posters take solice by declaring: "Margarito never took a knee, nor did he ever seem fazed or hurt by Cotto's punches. That was a questionable stoppage by ____________, and they should make a third fight." These boards are going to be insane when/if this fight happens. Hahaha green K great post... You could be right, both fighters are not what they once were that's for sure. I see Cotto winning if he can get one last big performance in. If he can box for 12 rounds and keep Margarito off of him, then he has a chance. If he allows Marg to push him backwards, then it doesn't matter what the game plan is to be honest. I see Manny Steward throwing the towel in about the 10th or 11th to be honest.

Cotto's been done, Agree. Shit fight.

Cotto has lost it a bit, for sure. He doesn't pull the trigger like he used to. But I still can't take the TS seriously. This is the guy that argued that Cotto should have punched Margarito after the press conference or should have fought him in the parking lot outside. :lol1: I feel sorry for the kids you "train" in your basement. I hope you don't teach them that kind of behavior. I train young kids in a gym, I was said "basement" because borderpatrol made that joke. As far as punching Marg, Cotto isn't a child, he's a grown ass man. If he truly believed that Marg loaded his glove, fuk yea he should have hit him. Don't act like a tough guy when he's not around, then put your head down and shake his hand like he's your friend. I wasn't the only one that said that by the way.... With a name like Quautemoc, Head-blahbedyblah is your perception here any surprise? I thought Mayorga looked pretty good. Looked in better shape than he has for awhile and Cotto looked good boxing with more discipline than he did around the time he lost to the cheater, Margarito. The drama in the fight was provided by the knowledge that Cotto can be wobbled and Mayorga can punch. Were either of them as good as in their prime? Probably not, but to call it a sh1tty fight only highlights your bias. What does my name have anything to do with it? If you actually read my post you would know I wasn't dissing Cotto, I just said he's not the same fighter. As far as Mayorga,....he looked good? Hahaha he was slapping with his punches, couldn't move and was sitting there waiting to get KO'd. Cotto of a few years back knocks him out under 4. Mayorga is washed up, finished and has no business in the ring anymore. Fighters fight Mayorga to get their confidence back because it's a guaranteed KO.

Salido actually outboxed Lopez over the course of their 8 rounds, fought a defensively excellent pressure fight and found the hole in JuanMa's defence that allowed him to set up the finish. That's what JuanMa couldn't deal with, Salido's intelligence. Clown-ass TS makes it sound like Salido just hung everything on his chin and came out looping shots and Lopez obliged him with a shoot-out. Did he even watch the fight? Nothing like a Mexican (wrongly) stereotyping his own guys. :lol1: The thread I made was about Cotto vs Mayorga you dumb sh1t.....WTF are you talking about? Pay attention.

First off, what a sh1tty fight. I can't believe Mayorga is even a pro boxer at this point. He looked slow, was winging punches and his feet were stuck in concrete. Cotto on the other hand looked gun shy, he wasn't throwing anything, was standing right in front of Mayorga and was getting hit with punches that 4 years ago wouldn't have touched him. I know that people here believe that Stewart has done something special with Cotto and that he has more movement but I honestly don't see it. Cotto should be looking great against a washed up bum like Mayorga. Cotto was throwing 2-3 jabs and following up with nothing....It seemed like he was gun shy or didn't want to step into range. I understand the plan was to box but Mayorga was so wide open for shots it wasn't even funny. Cotto of but a few years back knocks him out in under 4 rounds. If this version gets into the ring with the version of Margarito that fought Pacquaio, Cotto gets murdered. If I was Stewart, I would keep as far away from Marg as possible but considering that might be Cotto's only big money fight left, he may have no choice. No disrespect to Cotto, hell of a fighter but I think he's lost a lot in the past few years and the way he was standing in front of Mayorga and getting hit with slow looping shots, Margarito is not someone he needs to be fighting in the near future. With a name like Quautemoc, Head-blahbedyblah is your perception here any surprise? I thought Mayorga looked pretty good. Looked in better shape than he has for awhile and Cotto looked good boxing with more discipline than he did around the time he lost to the cheater, Margarito. The drama in the fight was provided by the knowledge that Cotto can be wobbled and Mayorga can punch. Were either of them as good as in their prime? Probably not, but to call it a sh1tty fight only highlights your bias.

In the Margicheato fight Cotto looked good in the early rounds. As the fight went on Cotto was being broken down. Well of course he was gettin broken down, he was getting beat up from loaded gloves. If no loaded gloves i believe Cotto finishes the fight and wins the decision. The Rematch will come down to whos the better Boxer and clearly Cotto is the better boxer of the two. I think going to the body will be the difference in the rematch. Steward will make sure that Cotto does this in the fight because he knows Margicheato has a pretty good chin. Margicheato goes down from a left hook to the body. Watch.

BUMP and added note: The second fight will not be as dramatic as the first. Cotto makes it to the final bell whether he wins or not. He's not getting stopped again. I'd bet on it.

Watch the post presser, Pac said he almost went down and that was some of the hardest shots he's ever taken. When I watched the fight live, I knew Pac was hurt. The announcers did as well. If you watch the replay, Marg hit him with a vicious uppercut and then a body shot right to the solar plexus that doubled Pac over. Marg lost every round, there's no doubt that he was dominated but people act as if Marg hits like a girl, far from it. I agree. Out of Pacquiao's last six opponents (Díaz, DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito), Cotto and Margarito have dealt out the most punishment to Pacquiao. All of those guys have lost to Pacquiao brutally (score-wise, punch stat-wise, damage-wise) but it's important to note that Cotto and Margarito left their mark on Pacquiao. Cotto gives Pacquiao caulitflower ear, and Margarito--despite losing the fight and having his face re-arranged--used his weight advantage to catch Pacquiao's attention several times during the fight and in round 6 had Pacquiao doing a lap around the ring to catch his breath. I seriously believe people overlook the punches he took in those two fights and only see the W. BTW, on the Cotto-Margarito rematch if it ever happens...it's too early for me to make an outright prediction (since I haven't seen or heard anything regarding training, sparring partners or whatnot), but if they were to fight tomorrow, I would say the following: Margarito showed in the Pacquiao fight that, despite the punishment he took in his fights with Cotto and Mosley, that he still has a ton of heart and a monster chin. Normally chins crack after repeated use but Margarito has not shown signs of slipping in taking punches. I'm wondering whether or not this is the time where Margarito's chin shows its dents, though if I were a betting man I wouldn't really believe it's at this time. The question that I find myself asking (and in fact, what I believe will happen): Margarito can take a punch, but will his face hold up? Cotto doesn't punch as much as Pacquiao nor does he have the same movement or stamina as him. My prediction, and call it wishful thinking, is that Cotto controls the first three or four rounds of the fight as he did before, Margarito's chin is showing its endurance as usual, but somewhere along the way Cotto begins to backpedal again but keeping more composure than he did in the first fight. Margarito's pressure begins to pay off around the ninth where it shows Cotto's vulnerability and he begins to retreat. Margarito's face is not holding up but he's showing that he still can walk through Cotto's shots and that he can't be stunned or rocked by Cotto. Cotto is retreating in the 11th (not as bloody, but still tired) and the referee stops the fight because of Margarito's facial damage in a questionable stoppage where Margarito seemed to be getting the upper hand in the fight slowly but surely. After the fight, Puerto Rican posters rejoice, PRBoxingCotto goes on a thread starting spree saying how this was bigger and more relevant than Sánchez/Gómez, and Mexican posters take solice by declaring: "Margarito never took a knee, nor did he ever seem fazed or hurt by Cotto's punches. That was a questionable stoppage by ____________, and they should make a third fight." These boards are going to be insane when/if this fight happens.

Disregarding Cotto, because he had problems with Mayorga is not a smart idea. Reminds me of everyone who laughed off Mosley before he fought Margarito, due to him just getting the win against Mayorga in the last second. Dont get it wrong Mayorga is better then Margarito. A really past prime Mayorga and prime Margarito fought Mosley just 4 months apart. Mayorga put on a 10 times better performance then Margarito did.

First off, what a sh1tty fight. I can't believe Mayorga is even a pro boxer at this point. He looked slow, was winging punches and his feet were stuck in concrete. Cotto on the other hand looked gun shy, he wasn't throwing anything, was standing right in front of Mayorga and was getting hit with punches that 4 years ago wouldn't have touched him. I know that people here believe that Stewart has done something special with Cotto and that he has more movement but I honestly don't see it. Cotto should be looking great against a washed up bum like Mayorga. Cotto was throwing 2-3 jabs and following up with nothing....It seemed like he was gun shy or didn't want to step into range. I understand the plan was to box but Mayorga was so wide open for shots it wasn't even funny. Cotto of but a few years back knocks him out in under 4 rounds. If this version gets into the ring with the version of Margarito that fought Pacquaio, Cotto gets murdered. If I was Stewart, I would keep as far away from Marg as possible but considering that might be Cotto's only big money fight left, he may have no choice. No disrespect to Cotto, hell of a fighter but I think he's lost a lot in the past few years and the way he was standing in front of Mayorga and getting hit with slow looping shots, Margarito is not someone he needs to be fighting in the near future. I completely agree. Cotto is not the same guy, there is a reason why he has been facing low opposition lately. Cotto is a KO/TKO waiting to happen as I have said before. Some people take this to heart but Cotto is done. Not trying to talk shit on him on in anyway, I enjoyed a lot of his past fights.

Cotto has lost it a bit, for sure. He doesn't pull the trigger like he used to. But I still can't take the TS seriously. This is the guy that argued that Cotto should have punched Margarito after the press conference or should have fought him in the parking lot outside. :lol1: I feel sorry for the kids you "train" in your basement. I hope you don't teach them that kind of behavior.

Salido actually outboxed Lopez over the course of their 8 rounds, fought a defensively excellent pressure fight and found the hole in JuanMa's defence that allowed him to set up the finish. That's what JuanMa couldn't deal with, Salido's intelligence. Clown-ass TS makes it sound like Salido just hung everything on his chin and came out looping shots and Lopez obliged him with a shoot-out. Did he even watch the fight? Nothing like a Mexican (wrongly) stereotyping his own guys. :lol1: This is true.. He stood front of juanma slipping his punches all night.. Moving.. Going to the body.. Salido pretty much took him apart.

It wasn't just that hit that hurt manny.. He said all of marts hit to the body hurt... Margarito will stop cotto again.

Tony will rip his heart out again Cotto gonna be retired this time