Is anyone else getting a "video is private" message? :o
Could be the same reason why the original vid with the full 4 rounds was deleted, or it got so many negative comments. :haha:
Love Diaz but he is going nowhere in Boxing. Omar is 35 pounds lighter or something and whooped him.
He left MMA because he wasn't happy with the pay. Wait until he gets a worse salary fighting the bums of boxing. :D
Hes a great MMA fighter but he wants boxing size money. Dont think its going to happen for him though. Props for at least giving it a legit try and be willing to face a known name right off the bat.
Ever wondered why he was leanign forward and why this Video only shows like half a round of sparring?
Just shut up dude, just shut up. KJ noons looked much better in sparring with henry and proved to have superior hands against Diaz (unfortunately, terrible leg kick defense) and still was busted up by Omar. That is enough said.
Omar is defunct Boxer who was only a front runner anyway and is now going into MMA.
Diaz is a 170lbs fighter trying to call out 154lbs fighters. In fact.. Omar is a 154 lbs'er himself.
I could care less what he is training for, how he looked in round 12 or 20. The fact is, he is terrible from a boxing POV and his style wouldn't translate well at all.
i'd really like to see diaz make something of himself in boxing, for one it would prove that boxing is where the real attention and money is at, and it would also prove that there is a REAL fighter out there who can hang in either sport, which the two sports are apples and oranges when compared, so it would be awesome to see diaz or someone else pull off some quality boxing and win.
now the fact of the matter is, diaz is at a massive disadvantage. it's not the same as mma, ju jitsu, judo, or wrestling, and although, those are tough as hell sports, knowing how to stall and catch your breath in those sports are done, not fairly easily, but manageable because they're allowed to tie up and hold, and once one gets someone in a position for them to hold effectively, they get a chance to recover, which is what you do in mma, because they waive fights off if you get hurt or dropped, there is no count to allow recovery.
not in boxing, if hurt you get 10 seconds at best unless some sort of time out immediately, then you have to defend yourself again, and as we all know it's tough to defend when hurt. not the same in mma though, guys can grapple, wrestle, tie up, and although it is tough and physically tough to do so, you get a longer chance at recovering and recuperating, clearing the cob webs if you will. not in boxing when you keep getting hit.
diaz is known for getting hit, dropped, and then tying guys up, that luxury isnt available to him in boxing.
diaz gets cut too easy as well.....
diaz has no head movement, and is stationary after throwing a punch, any real counter puncher would put him on his seat..... especially with that pawing, slow retracting jab.
he's used to throwing with those mma gloves, which is about a pound less or more in weight, makign him slower than he is normally used to inside the ring, yeah he might train with those gloves, but training and fighting is completely different..... anyone who has sparred before knows that.
he's never faced a real combination puncher in boxing, the guys in mma who use boxing more don't put together too many combination, in boxing, it's a whole other world when it comes to that stuff. gomi was the closets to a boxer that he's fought, that was a legit puncher who would use combo's and those were from a guy that was a baseball player not a life long boxer.....
look, diaz is a extreme talent, he's got the goods you want in a FIGHTER, i would love for nothing more than to see a BO JACKSON in the fight world, it would be AWESOME...... and a new breed of fighter, i just think that this late in the game, the transition is a novel one more than a realistic one, for diaz.
also, if he were really serious and not just trying to bank on the buck because he's getting paid peanuts in mma for what he does, i think that he should take it somewhat slowly and build it up a bit and not try and go in straight to the top.
although, that is what mma does to boxers, throw them in against top opposition and then say mma is better than boxing, but none dare to cross over the other way, and REAL BOXING FANS WANT IT TO BE FAIR FOR WHEN THE MMA GUYS COME OVER because we know the difference in skill and talent pools.
see, mma guys fear getting knocked out by a professional boxer, thats why they will legitimize a boxer fighting in mma for the first time and put them in against a mma legend.......... when it's not really fair, a boxer who has never wrestled is going to end up on his back EVERY TIME.
none of them dare to step to boxing and the fact that diaz is serious about it and is talking and taking it serious, i have more respect for diaz, even with all his disadvantages, i support him, i just think he should build it up instead of trying to bank on a freak show type fight with a named fighter, and i mean freak show because it's not a traditional set up leading to this fight, it's two different sporting elements fighting under a certain aspect of fighting, ie, boxing..........
the fluidity of a life long boxer, i think, will always trump a part time boxer skills, just from experience and muscle memory alone.
diaz has looked good using his boxing against guys who can't, don't, and aren't boxers. its going to be a completely different experience for him against a real live BOXER.
i DO think that diaz CAN beat a good number of boxers out there though, with his mental toughness and fortitude alone, i think he has more heart and determination than a lot of boxers who have more talent then him, only thing is, i see everyone who would be set to fight diaz, raise to the occasion and train their ass off to fight him, treating it like the fight of their life, because they don't want to lose or get our worked by a part timer.....
i'm cheering on diaz, but i know and am realistic about the situation, if he were to become the Bo Jackson of fighting i would be stoked, it would mean a knew breed of fighter has evolved and to me that is exciting......... it means a whole new aspect of fighting will emerge, a whole new paradigm! that would be sweet.......
lets be real though, it's a uphill battle on a oil slick for diaz, in and out of the ring, because you know all the crabs in the bucket, boxing and mma crab, will pull him back down, just to satisfy their status quo!..........
best of luck to diaz.............
what diaz is saying i agree with, but that was a mess .... i dunno how that was owning etc. but ufc has gotten really boring imo of late. i hate the latest wave of wrestler dominance and boring grinded out wins. all that grappling on the cage that goes on i find painful to watch as well ... im ready to shut it off and just watch fights that i know from buzz are good.
actually lately ive been watching cards in 2x fast forward cause the majority i just find straight out boring. and i say this as a guy who used to follow the sport quite closely before. i actually credit ufc for getting me into boxing hardcore about 4-5 yrs ago. but it hasnt been on a great run of late imo. even this seasons tuf is just plain not watchable
MMa gloves are probably closer to 5 oz. On top of that, the extra weight is simply aruond the wrist and top of the hand for further protection. The actuall knuckle area, esp on the reyes glove...I can't see it being any less padded. In Fact a reyes glove might hurt even more.
ive thought the same thing ... but get shot down for mentioning it for the most part. ya our gloves at 147 below are 8oz but thats distributed throught the whole glove not just in the knuckle area. i think the difference really is lack of defense and the fact that these guys are throwing haymakers more then glove size weight
I hear you, but still flat-footedness cant be a good thing in any combat sport can it?
I mean we are talking about movement, balance and timing--offense and defense....
one of my biggest reasons in him likely not being effective in boxing is total lack of speed ...
I hear you, but still flat-footedness cant be a good thing in any combat sport can it?
I mean we are talking about movement, balance and timing--offense and defense....
MMA and boxing are two different sports and you need different stances for each one for defensive and offensive purposes.
Saying that, I think Nick Diaz is a good fighter and most here talking **** would get KO'd by him in a boxing sparring match. He just has a certain style that I don't think would win many fights in boxing but would make for exciting brawls.
MMA gloves are 4oz but you don't take a tenth of the shots you do in boxing. There's a lot of clinching, knees, elbows, kicks, wrestling..etc...
He wouldn't last long with that defense in a pro boxing match against a world class fighter.
MMa gloves are probably closer to 5 oz. On top of that, the extra weight is simply aruond the wrist and top of the hand for further protection. The actuall knuckle area, esp on the reyes glove...I can't see it being any less padded. In Fact a reyes glove might hurt even more.
Ok and I train in Boxing which is part of my MMA training and I could tell even with th flat footedness it was all in preperation or his fight with Paul Daley....
I hear you, but still flat-footedness cant be a good thing in any combat sport can it?
I mean we are talking about movement, balance and timing--offense and defense....
1) i didn't say he didn't look like crap..... But he wasn't in the 3 and 4th round of the sparring....
2) They wouldn't be as a harsh because they know and also hes trainin in it right now....
just thought u were prob getting alittle too defensive ... and surprising they wouldnt be hard on omar. if i was watchin him practice and he looked as bad as diaz did im sure i would tear into him just as hard
Yes especially when he was training for an MMA fight. You know where the footwork is diffrent, they kick you in the legs and they take you down to the ground!
point taken but hearing what I heard about his sessions at WC and seeing this indicate he is still nowhere near boxing ready
Ok and I train in Boxing which is part of my MMA training and I could tell even with th flat footedness it was all in preperation or his fight with Paul Daley....
well you have to take this vid with a grain of salt ... its sparring we dont know how far into camp, what kinda shape and if hes going full out, what exactly hes working on etc. u have to factor that in, but that doesnt mean we cant critique it. he looks plain terrible theres no denying or defending that fact. you can also say that this isnt the best version of henry either but he clearly looks good.
this vid does nothing to inspire only confirms what most of us thought. this transition most likely isnt going to be pretty. if mma guys were watchin omar wrestle or practice jujutsu and he looked like total dog shit im sure theyd be just as harsh. cause it would just be stating fact