NO, only one of them will be fighting. Don't forget that Haye, heavy puncher though he may be, showed this against mostly undistinguished 200 lb'ers who likely were boiled down 225 lb'ers. And there's amply proof that he has a rather shaky chin.
Klitschko, on the contrary, was not fighting against guys who had the handicap of making weight, and also, has shown, ever since the strange Brewster no punch TKO, where he just collapsed sick, and had to be half carried by the ref to his corner. I recall that he even fell from the ref's grip.
Klitschko deliberately JUMPED at the opportunity inhis very next fight, of takig on the fearsome KO Killer, Samuel Peter. And, in the fight itself, ignoring all the rabbit punch, shoulder push and rope catapult "down's", took enough solid punches to show that he had a GOOD chin, and even though he won every round, looked ready to go another 12.
people who KNOW boxing, of whom there are only few on this board, will agree with my comments. The majority, will not.
I couldn't care less. I am a truthful and observant guy. And, G-D forbid, NOBODY'S FAN!!
If I wasn't busy with other matters, I could make a career of correcting the ignorance and malice of most of the posters.
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Are you trying to sound like one of those pop-ups that attempt to lure in with the promise that '95%' of people can't see the obvious? Arrogance never strengthens an argument.
Peter was boosted up to the skies by both his manager and the press. I always used to write in that most of his KO's were old worn out palooka's who were led gently to the ring and propped abainst the ropes until it was time to fall down.
However, he had a KO reputation, and , in fact has a good, solid wallop. He lacks in other ways of course. The point was, that with poor Klitschko's fragile chin, Peter would O him the first time he hit him.
Don't you recall all the catcalling and denigrating etc.?? It nearly ruined the guy's reputation as a fighter.
I think Peter has a good punch, but I thought your description was overrating it a lot and I think it is overrated in general.
Here's one Edgarg and IronDan (and hopefully some others) might appreciate: Florentino Fernandez. He was a Cuban middleweight who fought from 1956-1972. Fernandez lost a 15 round split decision to middleweight champ Gene Fullmer, and stopped future light heavyweight champion Jose Torres in five. But "The Ox" is probably best remembered for being KOed in one against Rubin "Hurricane" Carter. Florentino finished his all-or-nothing career at 50 Wins (43 KO), 16 Loses (10 KO!) and 1 Draw.
Ahhhh, yes. I can certainly appreciate this throwback fighter.
Fernandez is also a Bob Satterfield type of exciting fighter. Fernandez could punch but if you caught him, it could be all over.
Fernandez also seemed to have a very brittle face, so to speak, and had bones broken on regular occasions. And went down on many occasions, I;m not sure to the exact number, but it was many occasions.
You touched on the Carter stoppage, but let's not forget what Carter did to possibly and in my opinion the best fighter of the entire 1960's in Emile Griffith. If Carter could do anything, it was punch.
Great choice.
Here's one Edgarg and IronDan (and hopefully some others) might appreciate: Florentino Fernandez. He was a Cuban middleweight who fought from 1956-1972. Fernandez lost a 15 round split decision to middleweight champ Gene Fullmer, and stopped future light heavyweight champion Jose Torres in five. But "The Ox" is probably best remembered for being KOed in one against Rubin "Hurricane" Carter. Florentino finished his all-or-nothing career at 50 Wins (43 KO), 16 Loses (10 KO!) and 1 Draw.
lol i've heard some of the crazies around here call douglas a featherfister, as well
that combination would have killed most men
douglas has 83 inches of reach for christ's sake
he's a gigantic man
if anything mike tyson had a good chin.
but if i'm not mistaken, other than the title, isnt the thread about men who were prone to being knocked out?
that and weak chins obviously go together, but it's also got a lot to do with the way a man fights, and the skills he's got to rely on
punchers work harder and take more risk offensively
real knockout types (guys looking to put everything into power punches) have to fight with some degree of abandon
and will always be more susceptible to being knocked out, regardless of the chin
Tyson had a great chin. He didn't get very much credit for being a tough guy, but he was. Many perceive Tyson as being mentally weak (I believe there's a lot of truth to that), but he was a very tough customer, physically speaking. It took quite a bit to chop him down.
Plus Douglas did everything short of kill him in order to KO him. I've seen some strong chins, but if you see the uppercut Douglas hit him with in the last combination he threw, no one's going to take that shot and keep going. I mean not only was he battered as hell already, but he leaned into it AND it hit him on the perfect spot.
lol i've heard some of the crazies around here call douglas a featherfister, as well
that combination would have killed most men
douglas has 83 inches of reach for christ's sake
he's a gigantic man
if anything mike tyson had a good chin.
but if i'm not mistaken, other than the title, isnt the thread about men who were prone to being knocked out?
that and weak chins obviously go together, but it's also got a lot to do with the way a man fights, and the skills he's got to rely on
punchers work harder and take more risk offensively
real knockout types (guys looking to put everything into power punches) have to fight with some degree of abandon
and will always be more susceptible to being knocked out, regardless of the chin
Zab Judah, Amir Khan, Wlad Klit come to mind. Although I'm not sure I would describe Khan as having "monster power."
not sure Judah and Khan as Knockout punchers.
+1 Morrison.
LOL "fearsine KO Killer" - Peter didn't KO anyone of worth.
Peter was boosted up to the skies by both his manager and the press. I always used to write in that most of his KO's were old worn out palooka's who were led gently to the ring and propped abainst the ropes until it was time to fall down.
However, he had a KO reputation, and , in fact has a good, solid wallop. He lacks in other ways of course. The point was, that with poor Klitschko's fragile chin, Peter would O him the first time he hit him.
Don't you recall all the catcalling and denigrating etc.?? It nearly ruined the guy's reputation as a fighter.
LOL "fearsine KO Killer" - Peter didn't KO anyone of worth.
at his best sam peter was an absolutely viscous puncher
not being able to knock out top tier competition doesn't change that
W. Klitschko, David Hate, Tommy Hearns, Juanma Lopez and Kendall Holt. Some people say Randall Bailey has a glass jaw but that's complete bulls**t. Urango, Cotto, Smith and Corley (the only guys to drop, stop or hurt him) are all good punchers. He's never been KO'ed by a single shot out of nowhere like guys like Wlad have been.
What single shot that KO'd Klitschko are you referring ? Because i have been watching them since almost their beginning and don't recall this KO . In fact his 3 losses have been adjudged as TKO's.
The Purrity one was a collapse and not a KD, after 11 rds of beating Purrity all round the ring, in his 25th fight in his first 24 mths as a pro. Stopped by his corner.
The Sanders KD was seriously helped by a simultaneous hefty butt over the forehead cutting his left eye, and actually knocking him down for the 1st KD. He kept getting up, which showed his chin was pretty good.
The Brewster one is still a mystery, since no one has been able to identify the punch that KD'd him. He began staggering around the ring, sick as a dog, and collapsed. After beating hell out of Brewster in the preceding 4 rds incuding a serious KD. The ref should have stopped it then as Brewster had taken a ton of punishment.
And the last of these was about 7 years ago.
SOooo what KO precisely are you speaking of?
Bob Satterfield.
He didn't exactly have monster power so to speak but he could certainly punch.
And his chin could easily be called 'glass'. Especially by today's standard. And I think was knocked down over 20 times and knocked out cold on multiple occasions.
But that's what made him one of the most exciting fighters ever. The fact if he hit you he might knock you out but if you hit him he may be out cold.
He also fought a hell of a lot of great fighters.
Edison Miranda. I mean everytime he gets stopped he goes unconscious. I know he takes a beating if he's not giving one but for the most part if he's not out muscling people he's going unconscious. And it's sad because I love watching him fight.
Jermain Taylor although that Pavlik fight was fukkin crazy.
funny and true and a good addition.
Can anyone think of examples of guys with monster power but prone to being knocked out themselves???
i'm not going to go on the limb and crucify anybody for "glasschinnedness" who has fought his way onto tv consistently
however, your question:
Can anyone think of examples of guys with monster power but prone to being knocked out themselves???
is a very valid question, and i'll throw some names out there
randall bailey
julian jackson
ernie shavers