Why doesn't Andre Berto get penalized....

excessive holding? if thats excessive holding to you then some of the boxers are grappling, try and watch some of hopkins fights or ali's. holding is tactic, its part of what they said boxing is "hit and not get hit", punch the other guy then wrap your arms around him so he cannot punch back. hold him to a position he cannot retaliate, then position yourself or be ready to punch him again seconds after you release them.

Even when Berto held atleast the Ref seperated them quickly This I agree with too man

In all honesty I think berto was holding because Ortiz wouldn't let him fight on the outside. Ortiz kept closing the distance because he was the better in fighter which caused most of the holding.

Even when Berto held atleast the Ref seperated them quickly yea its true. the funny thing is larry merchant, who is known for detesting things like excessive holding, was commenting on how the ref was interjecting himself in the fight unnecessarily. there was some truth to it, they were clearly fighting their way outta the clinches and ortiz was doing some good work on the inside. berto was getting hit.

in my honest opinion, berto should've been penalized twice for excessive holding, that was ridiculous, berto put the X in excess in holding that fight. i was saying all fight long watching with my friends that if berto isnt allowed to hold on , he will get knocked out, but berto was allowed to excessively hold all fight long. we see it all the time, fighters relying on holding and once they're are NOT allowed to hold anymore, they get stopped. I was waiting for that moment to come along in that fight and the ref never made it happen, letting berto hold on for dear life. i was rooting for berto at the beginning of the fight, and then was like, he needs to quit holding and just get knocked the F out already............. either way, poor ref job in that regard, but a good showing by ortiz..... if berto was forced to not hold he would've been stopped within the distance. agreed...offtopic Ron Paul 2012? :D

Even when Berto held atleast the Ref seperated them quickly

in my honest opinion, berto should've been penalized twice for excessive holding, that was ridiculous, berto put the X in excess in holding that fight. i was saying all fight long watching with my friends that if berto isnt allowed to hold on , he will get knocked out, but berto was allowed to excessively hold all fight long. we see it all the time, fighters relying on holding and once they're are NOT allowed to hold anymore, they get stopped. I was waiting for that moment to come along in that fight and the ref never made it happen, letting berto hold on for dear life. i was rooting for berto at the beginning of the fight, and then was like, he needs to quit holding and just get knocked the F out already............. either way, poor ref job in that regard, but a good showing by ortiz..... if berto was forced to not hold he would've been stopped within the distance.

i understand that its part of boxing but in my opinion that was excessive holding. i understand that too. but berto was still punching. it wasnt like he was holding on for dear life. to me, thats not excessive. and he was definitely still getting hit. it was smart holding, nothing excessive to me.

what u guys dont seem to understand is that holding is part of the game. it happens. it really takes a lot for the ref to penalize and that wasnt nearly as bad as u guys make it seem. i understand that its part of boxing but in my opinion that was excessive holding.

But dempsey do you think it was fair enough for the ref to take one from Ortiz?? i didnt like that point deduction but rabbit punch is much more dangerous than holding.

Ref kept warning him to stop and so did the Ortiz corner. So he took a point away from Ortiz why didn't he take one from Berto for excessive holding?? What do you guys think? it's pretty obvious, the cards were stacked for Berto to win

But dempsey do you think it was fair enough for the ref to take one from Ortiz??

what u guys dont seem to understand is that holding is part of the game. it happens. it really takes a lot for the ref to penalize and that wasnt nearly as bad as u guys make it seem.

Yea I was waiting for a point deduction but good thing Ortiz came on top PS was I the only one that was telling Andre Berto brother to STFU?? Guy was just talkin out his ass

The holding was excessive but I only heard Berto warned once. Every time Berto complained to the ref, the ref warned Ortiz for something though.

i was waiting for the ref to take a point for the holding but never happen. oh well ortiz still came out with the win. im sure the holding played a part on the judges scoring...didnt make berto look good at all.

Maybe its becuz Ortiz was winning anyway, and Berto's holding was the only thing keeping him from recieving a horrendous beating?