How would the Klitschkos do in any other era?

I don't even like the klitschko's but let's be real, they are super heavy's. They would ko almost every great fighter of the past. Someone said that ali and frazier would do what lennox did......:wtf1:....lennox is huge compared to them, just as either brother would be. Doesn't make the klitschko's better, but with the size of modern athlete's do you really think 200 to 220 pound fighters have a prayer. Both brothers have skill matched with their size.........mismatch against so many in the past, tyson please he'd get jabbed to death. Frazier weighed 210, shavers was 210, patterson was about 190, hell foreman was 220 against ali, ali about 220 and even holmes retired the first time at 220 to 225. Giving up reach plus 30 to 40 pounds is suicide. Foreman in his heyday along with maybe holmes in my opinion would have the best shot.

They would do well in the 80's,they would do well in the 90's too,ranked just behind Bowe,Lewis and Holyfield,who are simply better fighters.They would be top 10 in the golden era of Heavyweights,i can think 5 or 6 guys that could give either brother hell from that generation

They've done well against pretty poor opposition. How would they fare in any era up until now? I can't see either of them making an impression any time but now. Very, very well. Every time I read someone stating that a CW would knock them out in a round, I'd like to advise the guy to go meet a psychiatrist.

First of all anyone pre 1960 would be murdered. If you dont believe that, go to the boxing history section, get on your knees and start sucking up that pointless, nostalgic, geriatric dick loving nonsense they spew. Corrie Sanders at 18 years old was faster than the fastest man alive in the 1940's Thats all you need to know. Now, I am not saying Jesse Owens couldnt have trained better with modern technology, ate better, recovered better etc...BUT HE DIDNT HAVE MODERN TECHNOLOGY. You have to compare them as is and anyone who thinks an era where Corrie Sanders would have been the fastest man alive can compete with today in boxing is completely retarded and should not be allowed to type things on the interweb. After that you can look at the dominant fights of the 60's Liston and Ali. Liston was a bit of a joke, he was a coward, he either was paid off or quit in both fights with Ali...surprisingly in Ali 1 that fight was a draw up until when he quit. He would have been mortified to step in the ring with someone that big. How many times did Liston overcome a size disadvantage against an even decent opponent or hell, overcome NOT HAVING a size advantage...never. Ali of the 60's...you think Wlad has a bad chin, Ali was far more out of it against Henry 185 lbs of waterweight and bone Cooper than Wlad against Brewster. The ref just didnt call it for Ali and let him go to his corner, take smelling salts, have extra recovery time, etc...Neither one of these dudes would stand a chance, one right hand from Wlad would have knocked the Islam out of the coward Ali. 1970's...First of all if you mention Shavers, you are a moron. You are dumb as hell. You really are a testament to how natural selection no longer works and idiots are for some reason being allowed to live amongst us and reproduce with other morons. Anyone who mentions Shavers should have died of lead poisoning, starvation, or electrocution a long time ago. Congratulations you made it this far. Shavers was a bum. He would have been killed by Briggs. In fact look at the resumes Briggs is far more impressive. Shavers never beat anyone who was even decent and in their prime and he lost to flat out bums. In Shavers's prime he lost to a guy with a losing record. Do you understand that? He lost 10 rounds to a tiny guy with a losing record. Shavers sucked. He was terrible. Dude lost all the time. Most of his record is fighting in Cleveland bars. Wow, he almost beat Ali...who the hell didnt. Some moron up above said Ali was never in wars in the 70's...huh? Are you serious. Dude got more gifts than David Haye has banged men. Young, Norton, Shavers...hell even Wepner gave him a war and Wepner was a YMCA fighter famous for continuing fights even though bleeding profusely. Vitali was like Big George just bigger and better in every way. Wait...you mean he doesnt charge at people wildly swinging and taking tons of shots if someone fights back? You mean instead he paces himself, leans back away from shots, and doesnt take powerful arm punches unless theres an opening...OMG he must suck then... Vitali and Wlad would have dominated the 70's and all the Joe Louis fans would be jerking into their tissues crying about how the era now sucked and all the best boxers were killed in Vietnam. 80's...no one could touch either brother. Larry Holmes? Larry Holmes? You criticize this division...Larry Holmes had LHW's coming up and beating him because his era was so weak. Larry HOlmes...buncha garbage. Tyson might cause Wlad some problems, but who knows. Wlad seems to have his chin issues taken care of and is avoiding taking shots better than anyone Ive seen. Tyson did have trouble knocking out big HW's and Wlad fights very similar to the Lewis that destroyed Tyson. Tyson would have no chance against Vitali who would fight off his back foot and make Tyson quit after 8 or get Tyson Dq'ed around that time. Vitali woul dfrustrate tyson to the point of insanity. 90's...obviously Lewis would have been a great fight, Lewis, Vitali and Wlad are the 3 best HW's of all time, its not even debatable. Notice I didnt say greatest, I said best...theres a difference, look it up. Bowe...maybe in his mythical prime that lasted 17 days or something he could be up there, but who the hell knows anything about Bowe since the dude was in shape and semi-experienced maybe once in his career? Outside of Lewis who I think both brothers would beat 6/10 times I see no one capable of even close to those odds. Especially not from before Tyson. And whoever said Marciano would beat a Klitschko...dear god. Dear ****ing god.

Most of the "HWs" these guys are mentioning as beating the Klitschkos would be LHWs today, they wouldn't have a prayer. If you think they could beat the Klitschkos you're on crack :chairshot

Am I missing something? Any time I've seen Vitali he seems to spend the whole fight tap-tap his opponent then run away. It doesn't impress me. I haven't seen much of Wlad fighting anyone decent, but I do remember Lamon Brewster rubberising him with a couple of swipes. Again I'm not impressed. Here's a list of who I think would prevail over either brother: Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Ken Norton George Foreman Ezzard Charles Joe Louis Joe Walcott Jack Dempsey Rocky Marciano Evander Holyfield... ...just to name a dozen off the top of my head. The Klits have been dominant for so long simply because they're the best of a bad bunch it seems to me. In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is king. The heavyweight division badly needs a hungry, aggressive and skilled new superstar a la prime Tyson but I don't see anyone on the horizon. It's depressing. :( Yes. If you think that's how Vitali Klitschko fights, you've only been casually watching him.

I'll keep it in the 70's forward, because from the 60's and going backwards guys are just too small for the most part. 70s: Dangerous heavyweights that might win a title but as with most heavyweights outside Ali would constantly be in wars. 80s: They'd be holding titles often, and Vitali might be dominant if healthy. 90s: I think they'd struggle more than in the 80s, because Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis are better fighters IMO, and they dominated the 90s. Still they would be right alongside those three mostly. At the very least they are a hard night for 95% of the heavyweight world, no matter when they are fighting. Ah, the voice of reason. They don't have to be in your top 10 HW of all time, but I can't see them being anything other than very competitive with the champions of the past.

vitaly would do well in any era, he is a beast, well coordinated for a big man and his chin is good. In other eras he would meet styles, he hasnt seen before, but due to his size, chin and workrate, my guess would be, that he does good. He would probably would have more losses, but would still be sticking close to the belt. He has a chance to become champ, in any era. wlad im noit convinced by, i find his chin and mentality to be too fragile. Thoes traits would cause him to fold, when he goes in against the best guys. Nonetheless, his physical tools would ensure, that there wouldnt be an era, where he wouldnt be a top 10 or better i agree with most of this vitali has a tremendous chin wladimir doesnt. they are both fantastic fighters against historic top tier competition wladimir would get hit on the chin and if he wasnt able to impliment his gameplan he'd likely get stopped. the chin is without a doubt the most important trait of a great heavyweight in terms of his matchups with other great heavyweights. vitali is a different animal than wladimir. i dont think he's as pure of an athletic talent in terms of his coordination and speed and power he's been stopped on cuts and a blown shoulder he's got hand problems but otherwise he's very durable. he's only been stunned a handful of times in a long carrer as a top tier heavyweight. in any era that is remarkable. in the same breath that we're talking about the level of competition that vitali hasn't faced, we've got to talk about the stuff that vitali brings to the table that would be unique and unseen by his other great heavyweight counterparts he's gigantic. he's got 80 inches of reach, which some of the heavyweight juggernauts have bested, but he's 6'8" with a very high set of shoulders (think andrew bynum.) he is / was 245 lbs plus of unbelievably conditioned man in his prime most of the plodders these days that tip the scales big would be tens of lbs. lighter if they were strict about their conditioning. solis should be 210 arreola about 220 etc. vitali should be 250. that cant be overlooked. his size and his abilities to use it are why he is so good. he's a very sound boxer given his physical makeup. the incresed size of the human race may eventaully lead to freakishly athletic, juggernaut, seven foot men with 90 inches of reach (they play in the nba,) in boxing. HW is the only division where the maximum size of the athletes involved will be an advantage, and that will only go up in time. most of the HW division is made up of dismal athletic specimens today. the best large athletes used to box. most of them head elsewhere these days. the depth of the divisions and the experience of the past great heavyweights are what would lead for me to give them the nod over vitali. however, to say that shavers and quarry roll over vitali klitschko is laughable

Am I missing something? Any time I've seen Vitali he seems to spend the whole fight tap-tap his opponent then run away. :( Just wow. Now Vitali runs huh.

Both are capable of being champ in any era, IMO, obviously they wont be as dominate but I think they "could" beat any fighter in history.

They've done well against pretty poor opposition. How would they fare in any era up until now? I can't see either of them making an impression any time but now. They'd get their ass beat. I don't even see them beating a prime Ray Mercer.

Wlad is basically Lennox but with more power. Say he fought Bowe Evander and Lewis 2x each I think he only goes 5-1 or 4-2

I'll keep it in the 70's forward, because from the 60's and going backwards guys are just too small for the most part. 70s: Dangerous heavyweights that might win a title but as with most heavyweights outside Ali would constantly be in wars. 80s: They'd be holding titles often, and Vitali might be dominant if healthy. 90s: I think they'd struggle more than in the 80s, because Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis are better fighters IMO, and they dominated the 90s. Still they would be right alongside those three mostly. At the very least they are a hard night for 95% of the heavyweight world, no matter when they are fighting.

hmm...well i've got "black and white syndrome" so I am biased I suppose.....although one could claim Klit fans have Klit syndrome...anyway to my point. From the Lennox era on back there is a guy with the power to do what Lennox did. Basically Lennox lost the boxing but won the fight. He hit Vitali hard and ripped his face to ****. ( to say Wlad's immune to this is to negate the similarities in facial structure...if he looked very different from his brother I'd guess accordingly) Tyson would have done the same, but faster. After those era's your getting into the golden age....they have no chance against a dude like Shavers or Quarry. KTFO is how they do there....they wouldn't make it to Ali, Frazier, or Foreman. And then theres Rocco's era, which many see as too small, but Rocky is no cutie. He'd eat many-a-jab to hit, and you'd better not let him catch you too flush....he may break your ****ing skull. 20-some career ending KO's. The truth is, and a lot of people don't recognize these stats, if your in the ring with Rocky it is vast majority probability that you will be knocked out. Of those KO's the majority quit boxing with in 5 fights. So yeah I believe here the brothers get KTFO. The Louis era is as laughable as the Golden Age...even if they were able to rid themselves of a Prime Walcott, Baer, Charles, Godoy etc No way in hell does Joe lose to the jab-a-tron. Left hook, right uppercut, counter-jab...walk back to your corner Joe and get that money. As you go back guys just get harder, meaner, and more resiliant. LMAO, one of the biggest dumbasses around, no doubt.

they would get "pizza faces" if they fought guys like lewis, ali etc http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d8bF7KBsmHI/SAQ8wKVsA0I/AAAAAAAAB2w/xtIixTPAAPA/s400/vitali.jpg

As you go back guys just get smaller, and less athletic. I fixed that for you.

The Kitschko brothers would be to big and strong for 205 pound to 220 pound Ali's Foreman, Tyson Norton, Fraizer all you be knock out or have a broken face like Briggs did.

Am I missing something? Any time I've seen Vitali he seems to spend the whole fight tap-tap his opponent then run away. It doesn't impress me. I haven't seen much of Wlad fighting anyone decent, but I do remember Lamon Brewster rubberising him with a couple of swipes. Again I'm not impressed. Here's a list of who I think would prevail over either brother: Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Ken Norton George Foreman Ezzard Charles Joe Louis Joe Walcott Jack Dempsey Rocky Marciano Evander Holyfield... ...just to name a dozen off the top of my head. The Klits have been dominant for so long simply because they're the best of a bad bunch it seems to me. In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is king. The heavyweight division badly needs a hungry, aggressive and skilled new superstar a la prime Tyson but I don't see anyone on the horizon. It's depressing. :(

vitaly would do well in any era, he is a beast, well coordinated for a big man and his chin is good. In other eras he would meet styles, he hasnt seen before, but due to his size, chin and workrate, my guess would be, that he does good. He would probably would have more losses, but would still be sticking close to the belt. He has a chance to become champ, in any era. wlad im noit convinced by, i find his chin and mentality to be too fragile. Thoes traits would cause him to fold, when he goes in against the best guys. Nonetheless, his physical tools would ensure, that there wouldnt be an era, where he wouldnt be a top 10 or better

Talking about Wlad not Vitali 60s #3(after Liston and Ali) 70s #3(after Ali and Foreman) 80s #1 and #2(tied with Holmes for most of the 80s and 2nd to Tyson in the late 80s) 90s #1(better then Lennox Holyfield and Bowe) The fact is, Wlad is the real life Ivan Drago he is the perfect physical specimen. If you got the top 10 trainers of all time and asked them from a physical stand point to build the perfect heavyweight he would look like Wlad