Why are Pac/May expected to move up in weight but not Sexy Sergio?

Beating AA does what? What has AA accomplished that should motivate Martinez to move up? How much credit would he really get from that? AA is undefeated middleweight. And it would be a good stepping stone for him to test the waters at Super Middleweight... That being said, lets get to the point, I said that ARTHUR ABRAHAM SHOULD MOVE DOWN to fight him. It's up there waiting to be re-read by u... Happy?

Sorry to fvck up your reasoning, but Manny started at 108 and is fighting in the WW division (147); that is an increase of 39lbs or 36 percent of initial weight. But even if we forget (for the sake of your argument) that Manny is fighting at WW and say he's fighting at SFW (130lbs, which everybody knows he can't make anymore) that's still an increase of 22lbs or 20 percent of initial body weight. Sergio, on the other hand started @ 147 and we're asking to see him @ 168. As you said, that is an increase of 21lbs or only 14.3 percent of initial body weight. Therefore, it is asking less of Sergio to fight @ 168 than it is to ask Manny to fight @ 130 ,which (again) everybody knows is too light for him these days. Your point is crap. You're comparing a guy that started at age 16 to a guy that started at 22. I doubt Sergio would've weighed 147 at 16. When Pac was 22, he was fighting at 122.

Martinez looked superb last night. I think a sign he's finally receiving the P4P respect he deserves is all the haters who have recently popped up in response to him. However, with that said I think he should be held to the same standard as Pacquiao and Mayweather. If they are expected to move up in weight and fight JMWs and MWs, it's only fair Martinez be expected to fight Super Middle Weights. Is Martinez a small MW? Yes, but Pac and Mayweather are not big for their weight classes either. A measure of a fighters P4P ability is being able to span weight classes.. I think Martinez' claim for the #1 and 2 P4P spots will be more credible once we see how he handles a Super Middle Weight. How do people feel about Martinez's responsibility and abilities above 160? :fest30::boxing: I don't really care that Martinez isn't looking to move UP in weight, it's something that I don't think is easy for just any fighter (it could be for him, maybe it won't be). If you look at Shane Mosley he's always fought better at 147 than he had at 154, not everybody can adjust effortlessly. What I don't like is the fact that people expect Pacquiao and Mayweather to be those guys, that can move up effortlessly and remain exactly like themselves. There's this misconception that they'll be the exact same fighter at a weight class higher. More or less, we're conceding that we may not or will not get the best Mayweather or the best Pacquiao to fight a beast in Martinez.

Maybe because in his last 3 fights at Middleweight he has already been fighting bigger opponents due to already coming up 2 weight classes from where he began. Also how many other SMW's started out at WW? It just isn't a natural progression but now Sergio is expected to do it because he's winning, getting recognition and leading Manny/Floyd Fanboys to get jealous and state that because Manny Pacquiao moved up 8 weight classes, everyone else should too :pat: No one is expecting Martinez to jump 8 weight classes, that would put him at heavyweight and is ridiculous. With Pac, May and Cotto likely out of the picture who would you prefer he fight?

let me guess you went to public school?

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary. Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't. On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much. If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions. Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions. I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW. Sorry to fvck up your reasoning, but Manny started at 108 and is fighting in the WW division (147); that is an increase of 39lbs or 36 percent of initial weight. But even if we forget (for the sake of your argument) that Manny is fighting at WW and say he's fighting at SFW (130lbs, which everybody knows he can't make anymore) that's still an increase of 22lbs or 20 percent of initial body weight. Sergio, on the other hand started @ 147 and we're asking to see him @ 168. As you said, that is an increase of 21lbs or only 14.3 percent of initial body weight. Therefore, it is asking less of Sergio to fight @ 168 than it is to ask Manny to fight @ 130 ,which (again) everybody knows is too light for him these days. Your point is crap.

Maybe because in his last 3 fights at Middleweight he has already been fighting bigger opponents due to already coming up 2 weight classes from where he began. Also how many other SMW's started out at WW? It just isn't a natural progression but now Sergio is expected to do it because he's winning, getting recognition and leading Manny/Floyd Fanboys to get jealous and state that because Manny Pacquiao moved up 8 weight classes, everyone else should too :pat:

Based on their last fights, Sergio would outweigh Pac by 22 pounds fight night (170 vs 148). 22 pounds more than 170 is 192. Which division typically has fighters that weigh around 190 on fight night? Light heavies. So that settles it. Since Sergio is now the P4P king, he needs to fight the light heavyweights. :boxing: Do we know what Mayweather's last fight weight was? They didn't release that info right?

Based on their last fights, Sergio would outweigh Pac by 22 pounds fight night (170 vs 148). 22 pounds more than 170 is 192. Which division typically has fighters that weigh around 190 on fight night? Light heavies. So that settles it. Since Sergio is now the P4P king, he needs to fight the light heavyweights. :boxing: let me guess you went to public school?

I think people need to realize that without Mayweather and Pac, boxing is in serious trouble. Didn't read past this. You're either a Pactard, a Flomo or a drama queen. Take your "boxing-is-dying" @ss to some dumbsh1t MMA forum.

Based on their last fights, Sergio would outweigh Pac by 22 pounds fight night (170 vs 148). 22 pounds more than 170 is 192. Which division typically has fighters that weigh around 190 on fight night? Light heavies. So that settles it. Since Sergio is now the P4P king, he needs to fight the light heavyweights. :boxing:

I'm not against it. I think he could beat a guy like Bute. But I would consider it an amazing accomplishment. :hail: I think he could make for an exciting fight with Ward.. Which would be a feat considering I find Ward to be very boring. If Martinez were to fight the winner of the super 6 and win, he'd be huge. I can't wait to see what Dibella's move is..

... Mainly because you're talking about a completely different natural size.QUOTE] There's a reason Pac won't go up any higher than 154. You're talking about some big guys when you get to MW.

I understand you think it's going to be tricky bringing his frame to 168, but I think Martinez has been so effective recently. So head and shoulders above his peers.. He can fight at the next class and still be winning impressively. Hey maybe he needs to have somewhat a test the waters fight up there. If he really loses speed or his power is ineffective up there. No harm done, come back down. Personally I think while he may not necessarily be able to clean out 168 completely, he can do a lot of good work up there. Maybe it's just me, but I think he's too good and too old to waste his time and momentum on a guy like Pirog. I'm not against it. I think he could beat a guy like Bute. But I would consider it an amazing accomplishment. :hail:

..... On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much. ... I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW. Still reading the rest of your post and I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but in regards to the bold. Significance of lbs is also relative to size. Because they are smaller, each pound means more. As you go up in weight this changes expotentially which is why there are more lbs separating the classes the higher you go. It's not simply 14 lbs at a high weight class is equivalent to 14 lbs at a much lower weight class. I know. :) What I'm saying is that typically, the difference between a SMW and a WW is huge. Whereas, the difference between a flyweight and a LW is not always as apparent. Guys who can make flyweight typically are shedding lots of weight and barely making it. Not saying that doesn't happen with MWs and SMW's, but typically it is more of their natural size. I know what you're saying, and I do agree, but I think the fact remains that going from WW to SMW or from MW to HW is much harder than going from say flyweight to LW or WW. Mainly because you're talking about a completely different natural size.

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary. Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't. On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much. If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions. Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions. I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW. I understand you think it's going to be tricky bringing his frame to 168, but I think Martinez has been so effective recently. So head and shoulders above his peers.. He can fight at the next class and still be winning impressively. Hey maybe he needs to have somewhat a test the waters fight up there. If he really loses speed or his power is ineffective up there. No harm done, come back down. Personally I think while he may not necessarily be able to clean out 168 completely, he can do a lot of good work up there. Maybe it's just me, but I think he's too good and too old to waste his time and momentum on a guy like Pirog.

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary. Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't. On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much. If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions. Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions. I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW. Still reading the rest of your post and I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but in regards to the bold. Significance of lbs is also relative to size. Because they are smaller, each pound means more. As you go up in weight this changes expotentially which is why there are more lbs separating the classes the higher you go. It's not simply 14 lbs at a high weight class is equivalent to 14 lbs at a much lower weight class.

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary. Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't. On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much. If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions. Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions. I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW.

Martinez is in his 3rd Division. He didn't start at Middleweight you idiots.

I don't see how beating Pac or May at 154 is going is to propel him to p4p#1, unless he willing to go down to Manny's 150 limit. Fighting them is more of a financial incentive, and who can blame the guy at 36. If he wants that no1 spot hes going to have to go to 168, IMO, where there is serious depth in competition.