Dzinzurik

In my book, most of the guys we're talking about are no more respectable than JCC Jr. He's a name because of his dad, he's got a BS title belt he should never have had a shot at, and he's undefeated because he fights no one. That's boxing in a nutshell today. And to the guy criticizing MMA, I agree with you. MMA is basically the heavyweight division of boxing right now where guys get 3 and 4 title shots just because they are a name from the last 5-6 guys or even later than that. No way did Hasim Rahman belong in the same ring as Wladimir, not did Shannon Briggs deserve a shot at Vitali. They are just recycling guys and spitting them out. But by the same token, Dzinzurik had no business holding a title belt or being in the same ring as Martinez. There's just no middle ground in boxing where the best fight the best because they EARN it. That's what's killing our sport.

Vanes is another example. I've heard about this guy for years, but he has nothing on his resume aside from a win over a shot Ouma, who many people felt won. Now I've heard Vanes call out Cotto and some other guys, so that is at least a little better than most of the guys we've been talking about. But my God, if we have been hearing about you for more than 2 years and you have accomplished nothing (i.e., Andre Berto), then you are a clown.

HBO promised Dzinziruk a return fight win or lose according to Fat Dan. I'd like to see Dzinziruk-Martirosyan, end the Vanes hype for good. That's awesome to hear and he's still 154 lb champ. Cotto vs Dzyna pleeeease.

Ur dumb, Dzinzurik was a game fighter he had pretty good skills. And WTF are you talking about robbing the fans for money....this was on HBO and the Cotto fought Mayorga on PPV, now that's a rip off. Im glad this fight happened and it was entertaining non the less. Paul Williams got rocked in two rounds, Pavlik destroyed and Dzinzurik lasted an put up a good effort in a losing battle. If you didn't enjoy this go watch MMA were 2 guys that are 10-4 are fighting for a title

I saw highlights of Dzinziruk on Youtube and was honestly never impressed with the guy. I basically knew he wasn't all that good. I'm not trying to go out of my way to discredit Sergio's win, but people need to face the facts. The guy's best wins to date were against an old Daniel Santos and Joel Julio (Who Kirkland, Angulo, and even Quintana for crying out loud beat more impressively). Now having said all this, I for the life of me can't understand why he was shoved down our throats by HBO as a worthy opponent for Sergio Martinez. You look at the Middleweight landscape right now, and there are plenty of good fighters (European or not) that would've been a tougher challenge. The ones off the top of my head are Golovkin, Pirog, and then you have Kirkland and Fernando Guerrero. I know the latter two need some more fights. But why isn't HBO trying to match Sergio up with those other two guys? And WTF is this shit of Martinez calling out guys like Cotto, Floyd, and Pac? People also need to raise issue with that too.

As for calzaghe, yeah i agree he should have left the uk before he did imo but how can people criticism that when the vast majority of american fighters never leave their backyards?? pot kettle black i think

Maybe because they go to america and get robbed like sturm did, he beat a prime de la hoya, look what happened to kotelnik, he beat alexander but got jobbed too, a lot of fighters know they will need a KO if they want to get the nod in the states, thats just the way it is Why are you slagging off dzinrzuk or whatever his name was, he just had a good win over santos who is a good fighter and id say he could still be very competitive at 154 if he keeps going, he lost to a great fighter in sergio, happens all the time Look at martinez himself, he was robbed against cintron in florida and given a 119 - 110 decision against him in the first williams fight!! Unless you got powerful backers or can KO your opponent the states may well be a graveyard for you

I don't know if I spelled his name right, nor do I care. It doesn't really matter at this point because we'll never see this guy again. Yeah, there's no shame in losing to Martinez, but what is this guy even doing in the same ring as Sergio? That's robbing fans of money. The point is I'm tired of these Euro/Western Asian trash fighters with inflated records coasting along trying to make some easy money and avoiding big names until they're ready to cash out. He's in his mid 30s, so yeah, he probably doesn't feel like boxing anymore. So he took one shot at the end of his career and got completely embarrassed. On the other hand, you have guys like Martinez and Winky Wright who have been actively trying to get big names their whole career, FORCED to fight in ****ty Europe just to make some form of money whatsoever. I have no respect for guys like Dzinzurik, Sturm and especially Calzaghe hiding in Europe until they realize their careers are over before they take a shot at a meaningful fight. You can always make money in Europe, but you can't build a really strong legacy when you're in your late 30s. Calzaghe's best wins = 43 year old Hopkins, Mikkel Kessler (who was much more dominated by Andre Ward) and a shot Roy Jones Jr. If that is a legacy, then Hatton must be considered a god in Britain. funny thing is you mentioned the guys who completely dismissed guys who has been considered best of the division, stars, etc. Calzaghe beat Lacy in :bigeyes: fashion Sturm beat DLH with easy, but his style was not respected. hes not the big puncher, or come forward bull. Dzinziruk beat Santos. Jes Santos back in the day was givin Maragrito hell etc

Dzinziruk was in a legal battle with Universum to break his contract exactly because his career wasn't going anywhere and Universum wasn't letting him get big fights. He just took the biggest risk of his life against mother****ing Martinez and you're accusing him of being a coward? Man, you're dumb. In most cases I'd agree with the TS, but in Dzinzurik's case, this is the right answer. He had to go through what Gennady Golovkin is going through right now. There are plenty of European titleholders to criticize because of this (Sturm, Sylvester, Sechenko, Zaveck, Brahmaer, Huck, Zbik, Sartison, etc.), but Dzinzurik is not one of them. He's of the Kotelnik mold.

Pls explain............................... :wtf1: DoktorSleepless explained it in the post right before mine He was in court instead of the ring because of his promoter universum

He moved up in weight and lost to one of the best fighters on the planet. He can still do business at 154. Sexy is just too good for anyone at 154-160

If you actually knew his situation in his last several years, you would know why he has progressed the way he did Pls explain............................... :wtf1:

He's had a belt at 154 since 2005. You can't BS me into thinking he tried like hell for 6 years to get a big fight because he absolutely did not, and the evidence is simply the fact that he was in no big negotiations at any point and never called out a single good fighter. If he doesn't fight, nobody makes money. That's a 2-way street between him and his promoters. They both want to make money. He doesn't fight, neither makes money. You probably haven't heard him call out anyone because who the **** keeps up with Ukrainian fighters? You probably don't. He call out Williams over a couple years ago and tried to make the fight if you want an example. Williams ducked him and fought a shot Winky instead. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/87739-sergiy-dzinziruk-wbo-champ-calls-out-paul-williams

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Racism has nothing to do with it, especially when you have no idea what race I am. But just to keep it fun, here are some other guys I have zero respect for because they don't fight anyone: Andre Berto David Haye Joe Calzaghe and up until one month ago, Nonito Donaire really? you need to understand that the fighters have nothing, zero, nada to do with matchmaking unless youre your own promoter. Americans have no interest in fighters from Europe. So European fighters stay at home defending their titles doing big cash. They are keepin boxing alive up there. The arenas, stadiums or whatever are always sold out and the TV ratings are huge.

I think still think Dzinziruk beats Cintron, Angulo, and a bunch of the guys at 154. He was putting a hurt to Martinez in that fight when he wasn't getting outclassed (like every single guy Martinez faces).

Sorry, not buying any of the legal arguments. That's a cop out to me. You wonder why boxing is almost dead, you look at the fighters that are considered talents but fight no one; i.e., David Haye. But hopefully that's changing this summer.

Dzinziruk. damn, so much racism in one ugly mofo. Racism has nothing to do with it, especially when you have no idea what race I am. But just to keep it fun, here are some other guys I have zero respect for because they don't fight anyone: Andre Berto David Haye Joe Calzaghe and up until one month ago, Nonito Donaire

If you actually knew his situation in his last several years, you would know why he has progressed the way he did

Dzinziruk. damn, so much racism in one ugly mofo.