Pac vs. Martinez since 2009

of course part of it is legacy you fukking meat head. how else do you explain hopkins being there for so long? what's fukking retarded is you acting like you know all the prerequisites to a highly subjective & ambiguous rating as p4p? legacy & resume comes HIGHLY into play especially if that fighter is still active & still winning. go drink some floyd soda & settle down. ok so by pactard logic sugar ray robinson should be the p4p king got ya. next pactard please.

Those are Pac 6th, 7th, and 8th division win. Whenever Martinez is beating guys in his 6th division than we can dicuss this LOL.Fucking retarded comment. So Pacquiao will always be above Martinez because he grew? LMAO. Learn your anatomy foo. Martinez will not be growing into Heavyweight any time soon. Both Pacquiao and Martinez have reached their physical maturity point and Martinez reached it far before Pac ever did especially starting his pro career 6 years older than Pac did and in a more competitive weight division. If you want to talk about fighters beefing up beyond their current physical maturity then maybe Martinez can beef up to heavyweight and Pacquiao can beef up to light heavyweight.

shane wasnt the best 'when floyd fought him......cotto >>>>> shane.... margo was the #1 man at welter until MOSLEY ko'd him. please use your brain. next pactard please.

when floyd beat shane, pac was rated higher by ring magazine. wtf are you talking about 3 years ago? when pac beat hatton, marquez, & cotto, they were top 10 p4p in the whole sport. You act as if its been 5-1o years since pac fought a top rated fighter. clottey was also a top 5 welter when pac beat him. P4P is subjective but one of the prerequisites is legacy & resume & Pac trumps martinez. p4p is not legacy retard. its who you fought recently, how you beat them and where the opposition was at in there career when you fought and defeated them. pac fights name fighters on the decline martinez fights the best in his division and p4pers.

2 and 3 years ago by your logic mayweather still has a legit claim for the p4p king status sh!t he beat the best welter in the world at the time in old mosley and p4per marquez and hatton right? again its not an atg argument its a p4p argument and even by freddie roaches own logic the last 2 fights are what determines p4p status. http://ringtalk.com/freddie-roach-sergio-martinez-manny-pacquiao-hbo-boxing shane wasnt the best 'when floyd fought him......cotto >>>>> shane....

marquez, hatton, cotto, were all p4p top 10 when pac beat them. but that's just ring magazine's opinion..... maybe your opinion matters more. 2 and 3 years ago by your logic mayweather still has a legit claim for the p4p king status sh!t he beat the best welter in the world at the time in old mosley and p4per marquez and hatton right? again its not an atg argument its a p4p argument and even by freddie roaches own logic the last 2 fights are what determines p4p status. http://ringtalk.com/freddie-roach-sergio-martinez-manny-pacquiao-hbo-boxing

WTF? Are you a moron? Do you even know what P4P stands for? It means theoretically, if Pacquiao was 5"10, 158lbs, with the same speed, skill, etc. How would he fare against Martinez. pacs been fighting the best possible opponents?

So an alcoholic Kelly Pavlik who was just dominated by Hopkins and a blown up welterweight Paul Williams who already beat Martinez and some guy you never heard of who never fought a meaningful fight at MW (or anywhere else really) who is 35 years old and inactive is better opposition on the upside? Ok, I'm sold. Martinez P4P #1 :fest30: yeah pavlik had been dominated a few fights earlier 2 weight classes above middle. the same could be said of hatton when pac beat him he didnt look world class after floyd whipped him 1 weight class above. but hatton was the man in his division like pavlik was in his division only pavlik was a year ago and hatton was 2 years ago. then martinez goes on to ko former p4per williams who did come back and beat beat quintana right after the loss. the fights a top ten jr middle weight coming from the weight class that sergio just recently came from undefeated never knocked down. you know bob arum wont let jccj around martinez because he doesnt let his fighters fight legit competition anymore. pacquiaos last fights margacheato busted for wraps whichs seriously leaves his entire career in question not to mention he was ko' by old mosley then takes a year off then gets taken the distance by cab driver garcia. but you pactards spin it like its the margo that just dismantled cotto. and then their is clottey who you tards seriously overates he chokes at the world class level everytime. now hes fighting old ass mosley fresh off of a mayweather ass whippin and a mora draw. what you guys never seem to understand is the timing in which pac fights his notable named opponents. you guys live in an imaginaryy world where pac beat cotto fresh off the judah ko victory, the marg fresh off the cotto ko, the hatton fresh off the tzyu ko, and make believe that dave diaz was the man at light weight. your only argument is that pac atg status is much higher than martinez which it is but p4p pacs fighting has beens on the decline.

again pactards argue legacy instead of p4p. no martinez cant carry pacs jock strap on legacy but p4p hes better. hes fighting better opposition on the upside while pac is fighting lesser oppisition on the downside. WTF? Are you a moron? Do you even know what P4P stands for? It means theoretically, if Pacquiao was 5"10, 158lbs, with the same speed, skill, etc. How would he fare against Martinez.

Since when is it a crime to lose to a living legend(B-Hop)Pwilly lost that fight to Quintana when he was young and on the come up..Martinez seen a much better Pwilly then Quintana did..Pav only has two loses and there were plenty of posters on here willing to bet that Pav beat Martinez..IMO Martinez is not num 1 I'd put him num 2 with Pac before him..But I would not downplay what Martinez has done in his short career it's been most impressive.. I agree w/ everything you've said. Just using these clowns' own 'logic' against them. If Margarito losing to HOFer Mosley means he's automatically shot, then the same goes for Pavlik losing to HOFer Bernard Hopkins, right? (again, just using the 'logic' employed in these parts)

So an alcoholic Kelly Pavlik who was just dominated by Hopkins and a blown up welterweight Paul Williams who already beat Martinez and some guy you never heard of who never fought a meaningful fight at MW (or anywhere else really) who is 35 years old and inactive is better opposition on the upside? Ok, I'm sold. Martinez P4P #1 :fest30: Since when is it a crime to lose to a living legend(B-Hop)Pwilly lost that fight to Quintana when he was young and on the come up..Martinez seen a much better Pwilly then Quintana did..Pav only has two loses and there were plenty of posters on here willing to bet that Pav beat Martinez..IMO Martinez is not num 1 I'd put him num 2 with Pac before him..But I would not downplay what Martinez has done in his short career it's been most impressive..

again pactards argue legacy instead of p4p. no martinez cant carry pacs jock strap on legacy but p4p hes better. hes fighting better opposition on the upside while pac is fighting lesser oppisition on the downside. So an alcoholic Kelly Pavlik who was just dominated by Hopkins and a blown up welterweight Paul Williams who already beat Martinez and some guy you never heard of who never fought a meaningful fight at MW (or anywhere else really) who is 35 years old and inactive is better opposition on the upside? Ok, I'm sold. Martinez P4P #1 :fest30:

again pactards argue legacy instead of p4p. no martinez cant carry pacs jock strap on legacy but p4p hes better. hes fighting better opposition on the upside while pac is fighting lesser oppisition on the downside. This is pretty true...

Pacquiao: Hatton KO2 Cotto TKO12 Clottey UD 12 Margarito UD12 Martinez: Cintron D (We all know Martinez won this fight, so for the sake of the argument consider this a win for him.) Williams L MD12 Pavlik UD12 Williams KO2 Dzinziruk TKO8 I know lots of you will disagree, especially the day after the fight, but I don't think Martinez's recent track record is really much more impressive than Pacquiao's, if it is more impressive at all. No denying that those last two KO wins are highly impressive, but not a lot more so than Hatton and Cotto. People talk about Pac's opponents being washed up or having their soul taken, but Pavlik fits that to a tee as well. Clottey and Cintron are the same win. So are Margarito and Pavlik IMO. Just saying, I know people are overreacting but take an objective look. If you disagree and think Martinez's recent record is more impressive, I can't say you are wrong but it's not that much better IMO. If Martinez gets another win like his last two over a comparable opponent, and Pacquiao fights another sham fight, then I'll definitely be moving Sergio up. Thoughts? I think Pac is right where he belongs at the top of the sport,he is fighting every chance he get's..He is dominating good opponents and has fought almost every top 5 WW were Floyd really has'int..My rankings see Pac at 1.Martinez at 2.and May at 3...May has not fought in a really long time too long imo.. The only thing that can take Pac out that num 1. spot for me would be a lost tbh...

again pactards argue legacy instead of p4p. no martinez cant carry pacs jock strap on legacy but p4p hes better. hes fighting better opposition on the upside while pac is fighting lesser oppisition on the downside.

tell us which fighters Martinez going to fight coming of losses to get thses tiltes LOL For starter let's start with Pavlick and Williams LOL.

Can we please try and keep the trolling and the Pactard vs. Flomo crap out of here? I know that's pretty much impossible but at least keep it at a level where the thread doesn't suck because of it.

Pavlik got destroyed by Bhop. Paul got schooled by quintana. next?? YAWN i give you Pavlik but Paul Williams YOU FAIL he was on a roll 6 fights in a roll befor he lost to Martinez do you even wacth boxing?

Pacquiao: Hatton KO2 (Won his record-tying 6th weight division/record-breaking 4th lineal championship) Cotto TKO12 (Won his record-breaking 7th weight division championship) Clottey UD 12 Margarito UD12 (Won his record-breaking 8th weight division championship) For some added perspective...

tell us which fighters Martinez going to fight coming of losses to get thses tiltes LOL Pavlik got destroyed by Bhop. Paul got schooled by quintana. next??