if these fighters retired today which ones if any would make the hall of fame

none make the HOF. Cotto and Judah have the best shot. ^ This right here.

But the fact is Williams didn't return. So although I and others considered it for the linege then on the fact Williams moved up probably for an extended stay even if you didn't then the fact is in hindsight they were the best 2 fighters in the division. You can't award lineal titles with hindsight. Either Williams was still ranked #2 at Welterweight when Marg fought Cotto, or he wasn't. If he wasn't, then that fight was for the lineal title. If he was, then it wasn't for the lineal title. What happened afterwards doesn't make any difference to that. You didn't rank Williams at Welterweight at that time, but pretty much everyone else did, including all the respected independent rankings (Ring, boxingscene, espn, yahoo, boxrec).

Maybe, but the point is that most boxing experts don't remove anyone from the rankings of a division if they take a single fight in another division and announce that they don't plan to remain at the other weight. They never have done and never will. Almost everyone still considered Williams to be the #2 ranked Welterweight when Cotto and Marg fought. All the independent rankings still had Williams ranked at #2 at that time. And if the top two Jr Welterweights other than Hatton had fought while Hatton was fighting Collazo, I don't think anyone who matters would have regarded Hatton's lineal title as having been vacated at that time. But the fact is Williams didn't return. So although I and others considered it for the linege then on the fact Williams moved up probably for an extended stay even if you didn't then the fact is in hindsight they were the best 2 fighters in the division. That's different though because Hatton was the Lineal Champion. Having his Lineage stripped because he has brefily left the division is unreasonable, Hatton actually did return to 140 aswell which helps. Had Williams been the Lineal champion when he moved up oringinally I wouldn't consider Margarito Vs Cotto for the Lineage. But, he wasn't.

Not really because Paul Williams wasn't the Lineal Champion like Hatton was. And whilst Hatton was at 147 the #1 and #2 fighters left weren't fighting each other. Maybe, but the point is that most boxing experts don't remove anyone from the rankings of a division if they take a single fight in another division and announce that they don't plan to remain at the other weight. They never have done and never will. Almost everyone still considered Williams to be the #2 ranked Welterweight when Cotto and Marg fought. All the independent rankings still had Williams ranked at #2 at that time. And if the top two Jr Welterweights other than Hatton had fought while Hatton was fighting Collazo, I don't think anyone who matters would have regarded Hatton's lineal title as having been vacated at that time.

By that argument Hatton lost his lineal title as soon as he fought Collazo, but I don't see it that way and nor do most boxing experts. Not really because Paul Williams wasn't the Lineal Champion like Hatton was. And whilst Hatton was at 147 the #1 and #2 fighters left weren't fighting each other.

SO you come to tell me that this is a popularity contest? Yes, to a degree the IBHOF is partially a popularity contest. This thread is about 'who would make it into the HOF', not 'which fighters out of this list are better than the worst guy in the HOF'. just being realistic.

I agree he wanted a fight there but the fact is he didn't and in he was fighting outside of 147 when Margarito and Cotto were signed to fight. By that argument Hatton lost his lineal title as soon as he fought Collazo, but I don't see it that way and nor do most boxing experts.

should - Cotto Will- All of the above. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles. lol do you guys know a single thing about the boxing HOF? if anybody really wants to know i'll explain how a fighter makes his way into the HOF via BWAA vote it's not easy

cotto is the only hall of famer on that list. and even he wont get in right away

Oh sorry, I see what you mean. But Williams did not plan to move to Jr Middleweight, he only signed that fight at Jr Middleweight because he couldn't get a meaningful fight at Welterweight at the time. He had every intention of fighting at Welterweight again. In September that year he tried to make a fight with Clottey but HBO refused to fund it. He also tried to get fights with several other Welters around then but only Clottey was interested. Then Williams offered Margarito $4 million to fight him in January 2010, but Marg turned it down in order to fight Mosley for $2.6 million instead, which was a clear duck. So I don't consider Williams really left the division until after Jan 2010 - and certainly not as early as the Cotto-Marg fight. I agree he wanted a fight there but the fact is he didn't and in he was fighting outside of 147 when Margarito and Cotto were signed to fight. The fact he hasn't fought there since tells us that those 2 were THE best fighters at the time they fought. If I didn't consider it for the Lineage then (which I did as Williams was fighting at Jr Middleweight) I certainly would now as the 2 outright best fighters left in the division fought each other to see who THE best fighter was. I consider Margarito the Lineal Champ after he beat Cotto and Mosley the Lineal Champ after he beat Margarito.

But Margarito and Cotto just fought for the Lineage as with Paul Williams vacating to go to Jr Middleweight they were the #1 and #2. Thus making Margarito the Lineal Champion when he fought Shane. Oh sorry, I see what you mean. But Williams did not plan to move to Jr Middleweight, he only signed that fight at Jr Middleweight because he couldn't get a meaningful fight at Welterweight at the time. He had every intention of fighting at Welterweight again. In September that year he tried to make a fight with Clottey but HBO refused to fund it. He also tried to get fights with several other Welters around then but only Clottey was interested. Then Williams offered Margarito $4 million to fight him in January 2010, but Marg turned it down in order to fight Mosley for $2.6 million instead, which was a clear duck. So I don't consider Williams really left the division until after Jan 2010 - and certainly not as early as the Cotto-Marg fight.

Pavlik overall

When Mosley fought Marg, Cotto was ranked #2. Mosley was ranked #3. But Margarito and Cotto just fought for the Lineage as with Paul Williams vacating to go to Jr Middleweight they were the #1 and #2. Thus making Margarito the Lineal Champion when he fought Shane.

by default or not he was still #1, He was only ranked #1 for one fight. That's a hell of a short time to be ranked #1. So that means that Mayweather has it now Most consider Mayweather to be the current lineal champ. Some, including The Ring, still consider the lineal title to be vacant.

by default or not he was still #1, He had a win over 3 top 10 WW at the time. I dont even think anyone in the top 10 at the time had more than a win over a top 10. So that means that Mayweather has it now The point is he has never been Lineal Champion, though. However I agree with you default or not being considered #1 even though brief is still a good feat. I just don't think it's enough to be considered a HOF'er personally. Yes, that would mean Mayweather has it now.

As far as I'm concerned when Cotto and Margarito fought the rankings where as so; Cotto Williams Margarito However, Williams had a fight signed at 154 before Cotto and Margarito fought and hasn't returned since. Thus in essence meaning the #1 fought the #2 for the Lineage. To which Margarito won. To which Shane won. When Mosley fought Marg, Cotto was ranked #2. Mosley was ranked #3.

cotto and judah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Plus he got battered from pillar to post in his career defying fight. He was considered #1 by default. When he fought Margarito for the Lineage he lost. That short spell is the only time he has been considered #1 in a respective weight class. by default or not he was still #1, He had a win over 3 top 10 WW at the time. I dont even think anyone in the top 10 at the time had more than a win over a top 10. As far as I'm concerned when Cotto and Margarito fought the rankings where as so; Cotto Williams Margarito However, Williams had a fight signed at 154 before Cotto and Margarito fought and hasn't returned since. Thus in essence meaning the #1 fought the #2 for the Lineage. To which Margarito won. To which Shane won. So that means that Mayweather has it now

I agree with The Ring and disagree with you on that one, even though cyberboxingzone agrees with you. When Shane fought Marg, I didn't consider it to be for the lineal title for the same reasons The Ring's ratings panel voted against it - see here. As far as I'm concerned when Cotto and Margarito fought the rankings where as so; Cotto Williams Margarito However, Williams had a fight signed at 154 before Cotto and Margarito fought and hasn't returned since. Thus in essence meaning the #1 fought the #2 for the Lineage. To which Margarito won. To which Shane won.

This is a list of 3 weight class champ that are not in the hall of fame but most of the are active or some just retired recently. Héctor Camacho Iran Barkley Duke McKenzie Wilfredo Vázquez Oscar De La Hoya Roy Jones Jr. Leo Gamez Félix Trinidad James Toney Shane Mosley Manny Pacquiao Érik Morales Marco Antonio Barrera Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Juan Manuel Márquez Jorge Arce Fernando Montiel Miguel Ángel Cotto Koki Kameda Nonito Donaire