32 Never Before Seen Photos of Ali VS Frazier

Awesome pics. and LOL @ you guys letting this bum troll all of you.

I cant wait to see 32 never before seen photos of Klitschko Chagaev! In 40 years Im sure we'll still be talking about how exciting that was and how it was the number 1 sports event in the world. We may even get a glimpse of those fresh hepatitus B scars! Mmmm Delicious. Cant wait for 2049!

I already answered that: Who cares about AMATEURS? And moreover this was in the 1960s, not the 1970s. Because there was probably none. Nobody knows how a Soviet pro scene would look like. You know very well that Wlad wouldn't lose versus Luan Krasniqi as he did in the Amateurs. Amateurs and Olympics are irrelevant and/or inconclusive. bingo, there were no Soviet HWs that could have troubled fighters in the 60s or 70s. very glad we cleared that up. and incidently, YOU should be the one that cared about the amateurs, because thats where ALL the Soviet boxers were. also, the amateurs back then were much more like real fights than todays amateurs. example: no headgear, normal sized gloves, scored on a round by round system. headgear, based on a point system where weak scoring punches are the same as hard ones. essentially amateurs back then were like pro fights, except shorter. so if young Foreman could take out Chapulis within two rounds, I have little to no doubt he would have done the same or worse in the pro ring.

you make no ****ing sense whatsoever. fact of the matter is that the best Soviet Heavyweights in the world were still crushed by pre-prime American amateurs, who went on to get better. this is a fact. I already answered that: Who cares about AMATEURS? And moreover this was in the 1960s, not the 1970s. hilariously you still couldnt name a single Soviet HW that could have become champ from 1970 till 1991. well done! Because there was probably none. Nobody knows how a Soviet pro scene would look like. You know very well that Wlad wouldn't lose versus Luan Krasniqi as he did in the Amateurs. Amateurs and Olympics are irrelevant and/or inconclusive.

I thought this guy was joking but he isn't!!! This is one of the most frequent outcries. Sometimes a variation is used like "This thread is a joke" or similar. And the strange thing is: Whenever someone starts his posts like that I know that the rest of the post will be most probably useless. Just because you can KO people it doesn't mean you are better *knock*knock* We are talking about heavyweight and if you can KO people and another one can not then you ARE most probably better. BUT THAT WAS NOT THE POINT. The point was that The Clay is an abysmal KOer and since he ruled so long it shows you how unsatisfactory the era was. Who the heck would like to return to a HEAVYWEIGHT era where not even bummy opponents are KOed? than a guy that has a lower ratio of KOs. Perfect example is Shannon Briggs and Ali. Briggs can't hold Ali's jock. The jock of Muhammad is offtopic. That era had some really good fights..... I can't believe you can't appreciate it. Yup, I liked Chuvalo vs Ellis for example. Doesn't change the fact that nowadays superheavies would walk through them. Just for the fun of it, what era do you like? Why? Offtopic. But heavyweight basically didn't exist prior to Larry Holmes. And actually this Klitschko era is the first heavyweight era since it's the first era where both MOST FIGHTS are 200+ AND MOST FIGHTERS are not former cruisers.

Yeah, so? Then they weren't the best amateurs. I can live with that. Are they actually the best amateurs now? Who cares? But Bowe LOST 1 round later. OF COURSE you can find fights where an US-American beats a Soviet Bloc'er. That's a no-brainer. But the fact remains that 1968 was the last time an US-American won at heaviest weight, while the Soviet Bloc constantly wins. All the Soviet boxers (whether they lost or won) who didn't turn pro are irrelevant for an analysis of the 1970s professional world scene. I claimed the direct opposite: There was no Soviet pro division (because pro boxing was ILLEGAL) thus most probably ONLY VERY FEW could compete against US-professionals. But had there been a pro-scene then the US-Americans had been wiped out as is hinted by the fact that US-Americans didn't win Gold at the heaviest division since 1968 and by the EASINESS with which Soviet Bloc'ers dismantled the US heavies since the moment it was allowed. In other words: The American heavyweight world champion of the 1970s is approximately as much worth as the EBU champion nowadays. Probably even less. you make no ****ing sense whatsoever. fact of the matter is that the best Soviet Heavyweights in the world were still crushed by pre-prime American amateurs, who went on to get better. this is a fact. how you think that them turning pro could stop Frazier and Foreman from demolishing them all over again is beyond me. its just such a ludicrous statement. hilariously you still couldnt name a single Soviet HW that could have become champ from 1970 till 1991. well done!

-the Soviets could not turn pro. All the best Soviet boxers were in the amateurs. Yeah, so? The Soviets were NOT the best in the amateurs at HW. Very young versions of Frazier and Foreman dominantly beat them Then they weren't the best amateurs. I can live with that. Are they actually the best amateurs now? Who cares? I just mentioned all the HW encouters of the Soviet HWs in the Olympics. Frazier, Foreman, Bobick and Bowe all beat the best Soviet HWs in the world. you can pretend all this 'owning' happened, but it didnt. I listed them all above. But Bowe LOST 1 round later. OF COURSE you can find fights where an US-American beats a Soviet Bloc'er. That's a no-brainer. But the fact remains that 1968 was the last time an US-American won at heaviest weight, while the Soviet Bloc constantly wins. -and you say 'dont mention Olympics or amateurs', and yet say that all the Soviets couldnt turn pro. so all the Soviet boxers arent worth mentioning? interesting. All the Soviet boxers (whether they lost or won) who didn't turn pro are irrelevant for an analysis of the 1970s professional world scene. Again I press the issue...if you think that the Soviet boxers would have beaten the world champs in the 70s to 1991, youre going to actually have to back up that statement. What Soviet HWs are you talking about? give me actual names. I claimed the direct opposite: There was no Soviet pro division (because pro boxing was ILLEGAL) thus most probably ONLY VERY FEW could compete against US-professionals. But had there been a pro-scene then the US-Americans had been wiped out as is hinted by the fact that US-Americans didn't win Gold at the heaviest division since 1968 and by the EASINESS with which Soviet Bloc'ers dismantled the US heavies since the moment it was allowed. In other words: The American heavyweight world champion of the 1970s is approximately as much worth as the EBU champion nowadays. Probably even less.

Two of the most featherfisted world champs slug it out (that's why their fights lasted so many rounds). Frazier is bottom-8 (out of 60+ world champs to date) and The Clay is bottom-4 of most featherfisted champs ("like a butterfly"): Clay is only bottom'ed by Ernie Terrell, Leon Spinks and Tony LaRosa. TONY LAROSA!!). Moreover The Clay is as fat as nearly always. Although not as fat as Porky, the dwarf (Joe Frazier). Thus Clay vs Frazier was ham ("muHAMmad") vs pork (haha). Terrible time for heavyweight fans: No KOs, fat champs. http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5614/sgyminmiamibeachfebruar.th.png http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/526/joefrazier.th.jpg Let's also not forget that Frazier was blind on his left eye, thus the trilogy is actually a disgrace for boxing. The era was such a p*ss that they called it "GOLDEN". The greatest Clay's wins against handicapped Porky should be kicked off Clay's record. Hey, wait a second: The Clay was owned by Porky, the dwarf... you know what, keep the fights on his record as a reminder of Clay's limitedness. I thought this guy was joking but he isn't!!! Just because you can KO people it doesn't mean you are better than a guy that has a lower ratio of KOs. Perfect example is Shannon Briggs and Ali. Briggs can't hold Ali's jock. That era had some really good fights..... I can't believe you can't appreciate it. Just for the fun of it, what era do you like? Why? and which fights made you lean towards that era as being the best.

1) Please no cruiser examples. 2) Please no amateur examples. 3) Please no Olympics. But IF you mention Olympics then please note that in the last 50 years only 2 US-Americans have won gold in the heaviest division ("heavyweight" resp. the later-established "superheavyweight"): Frazier and Foreman. USA was usually OWNED by the Soviet Bloc at the Olympic Games. Thus if you want to deduct something from Olympic Games then deduct that Foreman (1968) was the last American to win Gold in the heaviest division. The only exception was 1984 when the Soviet Bloc boycotted the games. Please also note that Frazier wasn't half-blind yet at the Olympic games. Thus it doesn't change my assessment about the worthlessness of Clay's win over Joe. -the Soviets could not turn pro. All the best Soviet boxers were in the amateurs. -The Soviets were NOT the best in the amateurs at HW. Very young versions of Frazier and Foreman dominantly beat them. -I just mentioned all the HW encouters of the Soviet HWs in the Olympics. Frazier, Foreman, Bobick and Bowe all beat the best Soviet HWs in the world. you can pretend all this 'owning' happened, but it didnt. I listed them all above. and you say 'dont mention Olympics or amateurs', and yet say that all the Soviets couldnt turn pro. so all the Soviet boxers arent worth mentioning? interesting. Again I press the issue...if you think that the Soviet boxers would have beaten the world champs in the 70s to 1991, youre going to actually have to back up that statement. What Soviet HWs are you talking about? give me actual names.

so youre saying that the Soviets had the best HWs in the world....except they didnt exist. you do know that Soviet boxers still were around, correct? they just didnt turn professional. they were just all the amateurs. the least you could do is actually some research and look into what Soviets amateurs could have competed at the top professional level(because there were some), but you didnt. you just like to make believe. fact of the matter is the the USSR did not have the best HW boxers in the world, even in the amateurs(where ALL their best boxers were). 1964 Olympics Joe Frazier beat Vadim Yemelyanov by KO in 2 1968 Olympics George Foreman beat Ionas Chapulis by KO in 2 1972 Olympics Duane Bobick beat Yuri Nesterov 5-0 1976 Olympics Atanas Suvandzhiev beat Viktor Ivanov 4-1 1980 Olympics Teofilo Stevenson beat Piotr Zaev 4-1(although Zaev was actually a pretty good fighter) 1988 Olympics Riddick Bowe beat Aleksander Miroshnichenko 5-0 so...other than Zaev and Mirshnichenko(and another by the name of Alexander Yagubkin,who did not compete in the Olympics), there were no guys around the 70s till the fall of the Soviet Union that would have been world champs. incidently, Mirshnichenko DID turn professional, and after racking up wins vs bums he was upset by Oleg Maskaev in Maskaev's pro debut. so, essentially, the only guy that would have a chance at being world champ was Yagubkin. one thing is for sure: teenage versions of Frazier and Foreman KOed the best Soviet heavyweights in the world in the Olympics. 1) Please no cruiser examples. 2) Please no amateur examples. 3) Please no Olympics. But IF you mention Olympics then please note that in the last 50 years only 2 US-Americans have won gold in the heaviest division ("heavyweight" resp. the later-established "superheavyweight"): Frazier and Foreman. USA was usually OWNED by the Soviet Bloc at the Olympic Games. Thus if you want to deduct something from Olympic Games then deduct that Foreman (1968) was the last US-American to win Gold in the heaviest division. The only exception was 1984 when the Soviet Bloc boycotted the games. Please also note that Frazier wasn't half-blind yet at the Olympic games. Thus it doesn't change my assessment about the worthlessness of Clay's win over Joe.

Probably none because there was no Pro Boxing then. 1991 Soviet Union collapsed. A few years later boxers started to go Pro. A few years later they won the first belts, a few years later they had all the belts. Then Americans started to complain about "the worst era" and how great the eras were prior to the Soviet collapse. Basically all the world champions of previous eras should be written as "World(?) champion". so youre saying that the Soviets had the best HWs in the world....except they didnt exist. you do know that Soviet boxers still were around, correct? they just didnt turn professional. they were just all the amateurs. the least you could do is actually some research and look into what Soviets amateurs could have competed at the top professional level(because there were some), but you didnt. you just like to make believe. fact of the matter is the the USSR did not have the best HW boxers in the world, even in the amateurs(where ALL their best boxers were). 1964 Olympics Joe Frazier beat Vadim Yemelyanov by KO in 2 1968 Olympics George Foreman beat Ionas Chapulis by KO in 2 1972 Olympics Duane Bobick beat Yuri Nesterov 5-0 1976 Olympics Atanas Suvandzhiev beat Viktor Ivanov 4-1 1980 Olympics Teofilo Stevenson beat Piotr Zaev 4-1(although Zaev was actually a pretty good fighter) 1988 Olympics Riddick Bowe beat Aleksander Miroshnichenko 5-0 so...other than Zaev and Mirshnichenko(and another by the name of Alexander Yagubkin,who did not compete in the Olympics), there were no guys around the 70s till the fall of the Soviet Union that would have been world champs. incidently, Mirshnichenko DID turn professional, and after racking up wins vs bums he was upset by Oleg Maskaev in Maskaev's pro debut. so, essentially, the only guy that would have a chance at being world champ was Yagubkin. one thing is for sure: teenage versions of Frazier and Foreman KOed the best Soviet heavyweights in the world in the Olympics.

Good stuff...

Just saw a mini special Sportscenter did on the fight, included an interview with Joe Frazier. Just goes to show that legendary events and fights like that transcend time. 40 years later and it's still being talked about. It's too bad blatant cowardice destroyed this generation's mega fight. 40 years from now people will be talking about the legendary vacation :nonono:

Im starting to think this poster is one of Tunney's ALTs...........

ok. what Soviet Heavyweights at the time would have beaten Evander Holyfield? Probably none because there was no Pro Boxing then. also, the Soviet Union had collapsed by the time the Moorer fight happened.(in 1991) 1991 Soviet Union collapsed. A few years later boxers started to go Pro. A few years later they won the first belts, a few years later they had all the belts. Then Americans started to complain about "the worst era" and how great the eras were prior to the Soviet collapse. Basically all the world champions of previous eras should be written as "World(?) champion".

Great photos . Just saw Bert Sugar on espn tallking about the fight.

Because the picture shows fat Ali. Not quite, there _IS_ something more to it:That was still the time when Soviet Bloc'ers were forbidden to compete professionally. ok. what Soviet Heavyweights at the time would have beaten Evander Holyfield? Foreman KOed the best Soviet Heavyweight in the world in the 70s when he was a teenager. also, the Soviet Union had collapsed by the time the Moorer fight happened.(in 1991)

Hey moron, you can win a fight without K.Oing somebody. Boxing is a sport. Let me guess you're a tyson sucker?

you obviously came out of nowhere and started putting down Ali and Frazier when the thread was simply about new pictures. Because the picture shows fat Ali. Foreman became the lineal champ. he was the best HW in the world when he KOed Moorer. nothing more to it than that. Not quite, there _IS_ something more to it:That was still the time when Soviet Bloc'ers were forbidden to compete professionally.

Why are you judging somebodies legacy by what their K.O ratio is, dip****? Aaah, typical reply by AliFants. Since The greatest Muhammad had such a bad KOperformance they often reply "KOs don't matter" or similar nonsense. As a ground rule: Nostalgists value chin > fists.