Neither Klit has ever beaten an elite fighter.

They've stopped seven fighters EACH who had never been stopped before. Tell me the other heavyweight with the same stats, haters? :poke: :buttkick: :boxing: None of those fighters were "elite" though. That is the point of this thread. We all know they are great boxers, but perhaps rated a bit too highly in this last decades power vacuum in the heavyweight division. I agree with this sentiment.

They've stopped seven fighters EACH who had never been stopped before. Tell me the other heavyweight with the same stats, haters? :poke: :buttkick: :boxing:

Well said. Can't even add anything to that cept' to say, please forgive the sarcasm. Don't know why I chose your post to vent my little rant there as you in no way seem to represent the bleating sheep it was meant for. Thats ok dude Thanks

Ya they just beat up everyone in front of thm

I hear you! but when I see senseless childlike put downs of the bros just to wind up a certain mr steelhammer , that to me is hating or perhaps its just clowing. I agree there is a lack of elite opponents and some well written arguments for both sides, but some peeps hate is that strong they don't acknowledge anything positive about two fighters that deserve major props. I'm personally a big mike Tyson fan i'd rather watch him than the bros any day , but I have developed a lot of admiration for what they've achieved over the years. Just like a previous poster said without a crystal ball or time machine we don't know just how great they could be because that level of opponents has simply not being there. What we can do is look at what they have done with what's been available and boy has it been mighty impressive! Wesley Snipes also said in Passenger 57..... 'Always bet on black' lol! As you can see I don't take my self too seriously , I just tell it how I see it . i'm nearly 30 yrs old not sure about the drama queen thing.... if I see hate ..I call it and respect to me is if you either acknowledge certain values in something or lack of respect is when you degrade it and through sheer ignorance choose not to recognise any of these values Well said. Can't even add anything to that cept' to say, please forgive the sarcasm. Don't know why I chose your post to vent my little rant there as you in no way seem to represent the bleating sheep it was meant for.

Vitali has Lennox Lewis on his Resume. Its not Wlad's fault none exists today.

holmes beat the g.o.a.t.-ali and tyson beat holmes.... didnt say they had to be prime..lol True, but the term 'elite' implies someone is considered one of the best at the time. The Ali Holmes beat and the Holmes Tyson beat weren't considered elite, they were shot. The only eilte fighters these guys fought they lost to, Tyson to Holy x2, Lewis...and Holmes was unable to beat a LHW champ in two tries...Pretty sure Vitali ain't ever losing to any LHW

Neither did Mike Tyson or Larry Holmes holmes beat the g.o.a.t.-ali and tyson beat holmes.... didnt say they had to be prime..lol

Neither did Mike Tyson or Larry Holmes

I hear you! but when I see senseless childlike put downs of the bros just to wind up a certain mr steelhammer , that to me is hating or perhaps its just clowing. I agree there is a lack of elite opponents and some well written arguments for both sides, but some peeps hate is that strong they don't acknowledge anything positive about two fighters that deserve major props. I'm personally a big mike Tyson fan i'd rather watch him than the bros any day , but I have developed a lot of admiration for what they've achieved over the years. Just like a previous poster said without a crystal ball or time machine we don't know just how great they could be because that level of opponents has simply not being there. What we can do is look at what they have done with what's been available and boy has it been mighty impressive! Wesley Snipes also said in Passenger 57..... 'Always bet on black' lol! As you can see I don't take my self too seriously , I just tell it how I see it . i'm nearly 30 yrs old not sure about the drama queen thing.... if I see hate ..I call it and respect to me is if you either acknowledge certain values in something or lack of respect is when you degrade it and through sheer ignorance choose not to recognise any of these values To quote Wesley Snipes in Mo Betta' Blues: "Respect yo' self...". I agree with the middle portion of your post. Aside from declining to fight one another, the brothers Klit do whatever they can to add luster to their respective HW reigns. If there were an Ali or a Joe Louis, etc. to fight, I'm quite certain they'd be arguing between themselves about who gets to fight him first. They are dominant, but are they great? It's a fair question and a good (likely endless) argument. I think that the main point of this thread was to slap around some of the more rabid Klit fans. From what I've seen, that was accomplished. However, I disagree with your final statement. The word "hate" is way WAY overused on this forum. "Hater" is an idiotic, drooling, mouth-breathing classification used to deride people who usually entertain a mild dislike for a given fighter by the people who are fans of said fighter. You know a classification that I like? "Drama-Queen". Most of the folks that use the term "hater" or "hata" can be pegged as "drama-queens". Respect is a word used in almost as clueless a fashion.

I respect this post! I'm no Klit nuthugger Just a guy who loves boxing and imo you can not deny The Klitchkos They are awesome , completely dominant beaten loads of prospects , champions ect..... They will fight anyone! theY cant help the fact that an ali or frazier wasnt created in there life time. Pay them their respect cos if you don't your a HATER To quote Wesley Snipes in Mo Betta' Blues: "Respect yo' self...". I agree with the middle portion of your post. Aside from declining to fight one another, the brothers Klit do whatever they can to add luster to their respective HW reigns. If there were an Ali or a Joe Louis, etc. to fight, I'm quite certain they'd be arguing between themselves about who gets to fight him first. They are dominant, but are they great? It's a fair question and a good (likely endless) argument. I think that the main point of this thread was to slap around some of the more rabid Klit fans. From what I've seen, that was accomplished. However, I disagree with your final statement. The word "hate" is way WAY overused on this forum. "Hater" is an idiotic, drooling, mouth-breathing classification used to deride people who usually entertain a mild dislike for a given fighter by the people who are fans of said fighter. You know a classification that I like? "Drama-Queen". Most of the folks that use the term "hater" or "hata" can be pegged as "drama-queens". Respect is a word used in almost as clueless a fashion.

They have beaten some good fighters who because they lost to them look worse than they are and would have been viewed as better if they had not lost. Chambers and Byrd are similar to and about as good as Jimmy Young, and Chagaev would have been a top 10 fighter in any era. Would Frazier ever have become a great fighter if he had fought and lost to Foreman earlier in his career? I doubt it. And they haven't just beaten everyone they've fought in recent years, they've also won almost every round, and both have among the highest KO ratios in history. Holmes went for long periods of fighting in just as weak a division as this one, but never dominated to anything like the same extent. In fact, the only elite fighter Holmes ever beat was Norton, and Norton wasn't an ATG. Holmes is classed as an ATG because of his quality as a fighter and because of his longevity, not because of who he beat. That said, I don't see Vitali getting high in the ATG lists. Wlad's resume is far better than Vitali's is, and Wlad has potentially several years left in which to improve it. Plus Wlad is fighting Haye, who for better or worse most people seem to think is a real test for him, so his ATG standing should go up significantly as a result of beating Haye. (If Haye wins, though, Wlad's ATG standing would be dead in the water - but I don't see Haye winning.)

I respect this post! I'm no Klit nuthugger Just a guy who loves boxing and imo you can not deny The Klitchkos They are awesome , completely dominant beaten loads of prospects , champions ect..... They will fight anyone! theY cant help the fact that an ali or frazier wasnt created in there life time. Pay them their respect cos if you don't your a HATER Yes, and Elite is a rather vague term, don't you think? What is Elite? A P4P Top 10? Someone who has won many world titles already? If that's the case, then we would have to start digging for Former Heavyweight Champions, but they're all Has-been's now aren't they? If you're a one-division fighter, especially a Heavyweight, you're only gonna fight Top rated Contenders or fellow Title Holder in Unification. Wlad has done both of those. So what else is there to do? Fight a Multi-Division Champion? Well Thomas Adamek fits that Criteria (WBC Light-Heavy, IBF Cruiser Champ, Heavyweight Contender), but somehow I don't think TS or you will consider that a win over a "Elite". SO what else is there to do? Ahh, fantasize about Wlad losing to Fighters from the past. Maybe if a Time-Machine gets invented, we can bring some of these old carcass's back to life to fight Wladimir Klitschko. Until then, Thread Topic Closed.

The list of heavyweights that beat other prime, elite heavyweights is pretty short.

Hard to beat an elite name when there really hasn't been any around. All you can do is beat the best available. Right now that prob means Haye. Vitali>Wlad

There aren't any. so how can they fight an elite fighter??

name an elite fighter at heavyweight right now There aren't any.

name an elite fighter at heavyweight right now

Thought a bump was needed considering the Klits are playing out past bedtime.

"neither klid has beat any elite fighter" 1st. what your definition of "elite fighter" 2nd- alot of good fighter that had the possiblitiy of being "elite" but got stoppped by the klitschkos, ending there futures stupid question oh by the way.. who has haye faced thats "elite" What does Haye have to do with who the Klits face? Its klitards who claim they are the best HWs in history so if they haven't beaten an elite fighter how can this be true. Their most memorable fights are losses so that would be a sign that they aren't ATGs.