I have Nonito higher than Martinez because of the whole resume. Martinez I'd give the edge recently because Williams, Pavlik and Sergiy trumps Montiel but Donaire has rarely lost rounds. That in itself is better imo. My top 10 is:
1. Pacquaio
2. Mayweather
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. JMM
6. Hopkins
7. Wlad
8. Bradley
9. Lopez
10. WardThe whole resume c'mon dude? Matinez's fights with 5 inch taller Williams, 4 inch taller Pavlik, Cintron all these takes a huge dookie on Donaires Resume. It was kinda sad that HBO placed Maldonado and Concepcion as notable wins for Donaire because they are Alex Bunema status if not lower.
I'm sorry but I understand wanting to put Donaire very high on the mythical pfp list,That is fine.But if Ur planning to move someone down,it shouldn't be Martinez.Floyd is inactive & Manny Pacman hasn't beaten a really credible opponent since the catchweight Cotto fight.
Martinez in all reality should be #1 based on opposition alone,followed by Donaire,for the same reason.Floyd & Manny shouldn't be 1 & 2 for the reasons stated above.Rearrange pfp list if U want,but don't discredit Martinez & try to move him down to do it.Move Floyd's inactive a$$ & stop giving Manny breaks for fighting shot fighters.
Clottey wasn't credible?
Martinez has more momentum and even had a hard time finding his next fight cause nobody wants to risk fighting him.
A couple of good wins against highly regarded fighters will get Nonito up there.
I'm sorry but I understand wanting to put Donaire very high on the mythical pfp list,That is fine.But if Ur planning to move someone down,it shouldn't be Martinez.Floyd is inactive & Manny Pacman hasn't beaten a really credible opponent since the catchweight Cotto fight.
Martinez in all reality should be #1 based on opposition alone,followed by Donaire,for the same reason.Floyd & Manny shouldn't be 1 & 2 for the reasons stated above.Rearrange pfp list if U want,but don't discredit Martinez & try to move him down to do it.Move Floyd's inactive a$$ & stop giving Manny breaks for fighting shot fighters.
this is donaire's first huge victory in years, i know majority of the boxing fans are already aware of his skill and talent but he still needs to work on converting them to something that would reflect on his resume before he advances in the rankings.
So what you're saying is Donaire fights a top fighter once every 3 years? :cool2:
Anyways I personally have Martinez higher. But, is all opinion. Doesn't really matter.
My personal P4P list is
1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. JMM
4. Martinez
5. Donaire
6. Bradley
7. Wlad
8. Froch
9. Hopkins
10. Wonjongkam
The next 5 in no order will be: Moreno, Adamek, Ward, Segura, Cotto.
Good list...
since when?.. his wins against pavlik and williams was only last year...
i might be wrong, but martinez defeated nobody until he fought williams the first time on the last month of 2009 (which he lost)....
donaire blitz an undefeated darchinyan back in 2007... winning 2 belts in the process :cool2:
So what you're saying is Donaire fights a top fighter once every 3 years? :cool2:
Anyways I personally have Martinez higher. But, is all opinion. Doesn't really matter.
My personal P4P list is
1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. JMM
4. Martinez
5. Donaire
6. Bradley
7. Wlad
8. Froch
9. Hopkins
10. Wonjongkam
The next 5 in no order will be: Moreno, Adamek, Ward, Segura, Cotto.
I have Nonito higher than Martinez because of the whole resume. Martinez I'd give the edge recently because Williams, Pavlik and Sergiy trumps Montiel but Donaire has rarely lost rounds. That in itself is better imo. My top 10 is:
1. Pacquaio
2. Mayweather
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. JMM
6. Hopkins
7. Wlad
8. Bradley
9. Lopez
10. Ward
Donaire has not lost a rd because he's fighting smaller fighters,Martinez is fighting bigger fighters/punchers and dominating and leaving no doubt..Martinez resume is far better then Donaire's as well..
Froch should be on the P4P list that is all..
since when?.. his wins against pavlik and williams was only last year...
i might be wrong, but martinez defeated nobody until he fought williams the first time on the last month of 2009 (which he lost)....
donaire blitz an undefeated darchinyan back in 2007... winning 2 belts in the process :cool2:
Wrong Martinez fought Cintron and Bunema and in reality KO'd both..
IMO Martinez is the third best fighter in the sport,Martinez is beating big MW while Doniare should have moved up like a year ago..Guys at 118 are to small imo,I give him much credit he deserves to be on the P4P list but tbh Froch should be before this guy and Martinez is def before him on my list..But ya know how boxing is,what have ya done for me today..How he replaces a guy who is the MW champ and a guy who beat another P4P opponent(just like he did)is beyond me??
Agreed. And it will get harder for Donaire to pass him up as Martinez fights more top guys.
since when?.. his wins against pavlik and williams was only last year...
i might be wrong, but martinez defeated nobody until he fought williams the first time on the last month of 2009 (which he lost)....
donaire blitz an undefeated darchinyan back in 2007... winning 2 belts in the process :cool2:
Martinez is higher than Donaire without question.
Lets see Nonito beat Gamboa or Juanma; then we'll talk.
Agreed. And it will get harder for Donaire to pass him up as Martinez fights more top guys.
i never jumped on the martinez bandwagon when it was leaving NSB at 1000 miles an hour....but i'm well and truley on the Donaire bandwagon.
Donaire is easily lb-4lb a better boxer and more skilled too than Martinez and it wont be long before the casual fans are all over him and the Phillipinos too and once that happens then he will rise to be the star he can so easily be....
My P4P Ranking
1. Pacquiao (PHI}
2. Donaire (PHI)
3. Mayweather (USA)
4. Martinez (ARG)
5. JuanMa Lopez (PUR)
6. JMM (MEX)
7. Khan (UK)
8. BHop (USA)
9. Klistkho (UKR)
10.Bradley (USA)
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I'm a huge Khan fan but i don't know how you can have Amir and Bradley on your list and not Froch
Froch is one of, if not THE most underappreciated fighters in the sport
KO2 Montiel>UD Pavlik & KO2 Williams
p4p ranking, Nonito>MartinezEvery other fan can be a huge nut hugger but Filipinos become extremists because they have never had any thing to latch on to besides the Filipino chess champion. Thats why it gets dangerous when the Pacquiaos and Donaires of the world start building.