I'm not a Floyd stan but can someone care to explain how the hell is Jones' resume better than Mayweather's?
He has wins over Hopkins, Toney, Castro, Tate, Sosa, Lucas, Brannon, old McCallum, Griffin, Hill, Valle, Johnson, Harding, Woods, Gonzalez, Tarver, and Ruiz.
How is that even possible.
40 year old Mosley?
career 40 pound Hatton?
I mean, lets get real here.
I think their resumes are both severely lacking for the talent they possess and that neither one of them has done enough to make the best fights.
But I dunno, Roy sometimes fought complete cans like Ricky Frazier, Glen Kelly etc. for a long period at the height of his career. I mean at least people have heard of Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley.
roy jones by far. hopkins at 160 and toney at 168 are better than castillo and corrales. jones also beat tarver who was one of the biggest threats to him at light heavy. mayweather never fought the biggest threats to him at welterweight in cotto, margarito and pac. mayweather beat faded names like oscar and mosley. jones beat a faded mccallum. the rest of their resumes are about equal but then again mayweather does have baldomir...
This is close but I gotta give it to Roy. He did something no one else could since 1897. Floyd cant say that. Roy getting ko'd hurts but Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, many atg have been ko'd. Danny Green's is still suspect to me, but it happened, and nothing has come of avail lately so we shall see. Funny thing is, those that have beat him, Ive heard many, close to all saying in Roy's best it wouldn't have been close. But, that's not an argument. All in all, both are atg's but I hold Roy a little higher, with as little personal bias as I can
Most greats will go out like Roy. What happened to a shot version doesn't affect his legacy to me.
This is close but I gotta give it to Roy. He did something no one else could since 1897. Floyd cant say that. Roy getting ko'd hurts but Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, many atg have been ko'd. Danny Green's is still suspect to me, but it happened, and nothing has come of avail lately so we shall see. Funny thing is, those that have beat him, Ive heard many, close to all saying in Roy's best it wouldn't have been close. But, that's not an argument. All in all, both are atg's but I hold Roy a little higher, with as little personal bias as I can
I don't think this is true. Hopkins had several more pro fights but you have to remember Roy Jones had a great amateur career and fought at the highest possible stage, even fighting in the Olympics while Bernard was serving his time in prison. Granted there was a boxing program in prison, but the skill level just isn't the same (I'm sure that's were hopkins learned his toughness, etc. though).
ok I see your agenda here.
Joan Guzman...:rofl:
He "could of", "should of", "was", "maybe", "would have".:lol1:
How is that even possible.
40 year old Mosley?
career 40 pound Hatton?
I mean, lets get real here.
it's possible because roy got blasted out by dudes in his weight class. he also fought more bums over his career.
they both avoided many challenges in their respective weight classes, floyd moreso
I never said he was.
then we agree Hopkins was not prime when Roy beat him, although Roy had about a year to go before turning prime himself. excellent.
It was the IBF ranking. Roy was probably less experience that Hopkins.
Hopkins also decided to stay away from Roy during his prime years. Roy offered him 60/40 but Hopkins would not accept.
Hopkins just feasted on blown up light-middles and welters when RJJ was moving up through the weights to heavy beating some great fighters along the way and putting on some great shows.
irrelevant. fact is Roy never beat a prime Hopkins, so Im not going to give him credit for a win over a prime Hopkins, even though it was a solid win. its as simple as that.
maybe by an alphabet belt, which means little since their records are terrible and also they flat out ignore the existance of the belts' champions. In reality, he was around 9th in the division.
good win, but Hopkins was not prime, and Roy being slightly not prime doesnt change that.
It was the IBF ranking. Roy was probably less experience that Hopkins.
Hopkins also decided to stay away from Roy during his prime years. Roy offered him 60/40 but Hopkins would not accept.
Hopkins just feasted on blown up light-middles and welters when RJJ was moving up through the weights to heavy beating some great fighters along the way and putting on some great shows.
So why are you assuming that I'm talking about the first fight?
Cuz' I tend to think in chronological order.
Fraud won the second fight, and there should've been a rubbermatch imo.