what was edwin valero chances at 140?

I always thought Valero was another coming of Pacquiao. With the same physique, strength, volumn of punches, power, left hand style, and the killer instinct. If he had hooked up with Roach and had the same discipline and hunger throughout as Pacquiao possesses, he would without a doubt be the next Pacman. He had everything going for him.

If the weight didnt hurt him I had him beating everyone at 140.

The only fighters that really have the best chance out of the 140 bunch are the ones with great backward footwork. I think Amir is the only who beats him because he lunges backward and is great at stepping out of range after he gets his shots in. Valero does great when he's got his opponent in front of him. I don't think Bradley, Alexander, Maidana, and Peterson can keep the backward footwork up for a full 12 rounds. Valero also presents a subtly, the greatest illusion. He normally looks extremely hittable which makes his opponents gain a bit of confidence to land more shots than needed on him, allowing them to opponent up, and then Valero capitalizing.

IMO Valero was overrated!! Who did he beat that makes people think he was so great and would destroy everyone at 140. Please, people on here say JMM would not beat anyone at 140 but all of a sudden Valero is greater then JMM and would beat Khan, Maidana, Bradely. He did not even fight any good fighter at 135, he could of fought Guerrero, Katsidis, Soto, JMM, Why didnt he???!! GTFOH :rofl: yea this is so true. he wouldn't even make it to 140 cause jmm would have knock him out. i would have made a lot of epoints

Wobbled maybe 3 times max. Not even that, but he got hit with a hell of a lot and hsi defence isn't good. Valero is not hitting anyone that much other than Maidana possibly. Valero is very open, too open when he comes in. Khan could even hit Valero much like he tagged Paulie at will. Demarco, a world class chin or not, I dunno, but the point is, nothing else of Demarco is world class. His fofence, defence, combinations etc... Maidana and Valero would be exciting. I don't know that much about Demarco, who has he faced that hits hard to prove his chin please. other than by valero who ko'd pitalua? demarco's never been down. paulie v khan looks absolutely nothing like valero v khan imo.

puncher's chance against anyone but might not go far power was best suited at 130 he wouldn't be the same monster hitter at 140, more vulnerable there

He just moved up to 135 from 130 and he wasn't the highly skilled fighter that your making him sound like. Not to mentioned how shockingly against a step up opponent in DeMarco he couldn't wobble him after many flush shots. He definitely wobbled Demarco (who has a world class chin, even as a stringbean). I think there's al lot to be said for his heart as well. He was unfazed with that gigantic laceration on his eye. Devon or ortz would have called in an ambulance midfight. Not to mention that these 140 guys today aren't the strongest 140 class ever. Valero would have something waiting for breadleg when he cokes in headfirst and it wouldn't be his head. Valero-chino would be worth ppv worthy. Khan would never fight valero IMO, valero is all wrong for khan, except that valero was a little on the short side. I've seen valero display some serious skills when he's needed to. When can walk through you, he doesn't.

he was real raw, he still had a way to go before fighting anyone w/real technical skill like a khan or bradley. i think him an maidana would have made a good bout, two guys that like to stand in the box and exchange.

Yeah, thats as far as it goes, LW contender not really one of the best at LW and certainly not in league with top 140lbers. Also belts are either garbage or they aren't ppl can't keep switching back and forth to fit an agenda. 135-140 isn't a big jump for a guy with his skills and pop, most of those lw's more to 140 pretty easily]

I don't know if we can ever definitively say how Valero would do at 140, but I think he had the talent to do well. Sure, he had was a bit rough around the edges in some areas, but he does match up well with some of those at 140 with the way he already was. I find it interesting that trainers and writers who had seen Valero in the gym thought highly of him, it was just that he wanted to run the show. They agreed that he had the potential, but didn't want to listen to anyone. It was for this reason he split with Kenny Adams, who spoke highly of Valero. ITS A GOOD POINT, TALENT-WISE EVERYONE thought e could be a pfp type guy, but would he ever have the needed dedication to be an elite fighter consistently

It suggests his power was more a product of opposition when one of the very few good fighters he faced can take his punches and if a LW contender who himself never proved he was a top guy at 135 can take his shots well then I am inclined to think proven would class guys in the next weight class up would handle them even better. I'd say a beatdown of Tony demarco makes him a solid lw contender, not to mention having a belt.

For him to improve, he was quite old at 28. It takes a long time to learn things IMO. Secondly, Roach is a world class proven trainer who has been with Hopkins, Toney, Tyson, Virgil Hill etc... A trainer could have told him to use more lateral movement, hold his chin down or hands up. Those flaws woulkd have cost him VS more accurate or faster guys in my opinion. Yes Doug Fisher loved him, and I enjoy his sparring and fights myself, but many guys who watch someone in the gym also say this kid could be the next thing. Bernavidez could be the next big thing, but there's still doubt, because nothing is proven. See what I am saying? Everyone who is in contact with someone may think they are the ebst thing, but there are always losers. Come on, Pacquiao was around the same age 27 or 28 when we began to see some real improvement when he faced David Diaz. Against Chololo Larios, Erik Morales and Solis he didn't have to do anything differently. That's why we saw Valero fighting the same way until he began to step his opposition up a notch, what he was doing was enough to KO those guys. Roach is a proven coach there's no doubt about it but he's not the only one that can make improvements on a boxer. There are plenty of trainer who can polish a fighter. Your last point is also speculation like mine, I base my point on boxers, trainers and analyst's comments. I don't think you can blame anyone for thinking he could have been a great fighter in the future. Specially on the hands of Bob Arum.

I think he beats everyone there. he stops maidana and ortiz. he was going to fight peterson as his first fight at 140 he was going to beat him. we seen him punch box speed stamina relentless dude had a gash on his head look like cayote droped a anvil on his head and he kept going. I don't know if we can ever definitively say how Valero would do at 140, but I think he had the talent to do well. Sure, he had was a bit rough around the edges in some areas, but he does match up well with some of those at 140 with the way he already was. I find it interesting that trainers and writers who had seen Valero in the gym thought highly of him, it was just that he wanted to run the show. They agreed that he had the potential, but didn't want to listen to anyone. It was for this reason he split with Kenny Adams, who spoke highly of Valero.

Pacquaio fought like that, but against world champs such as Barerra, Morales etc... room for improvement? Yes indeed, but he had Roach who is also a world class trainer. Also Pac did face more champs. He could have gone up and in some ways I did see the similarity in Pac and him, but I also saw the guy who he fought. Valero was 28 when he got his Visa to fight. How many years could he fight like how he does VS top guys? Guys who would hit him. So yes he COULD have improved, but there is plenty of doubt, without the best trainer, and with age catching up on him. Doubt based on what? Because he didn't have Roach? C'mon man there's a reason why his sparring partners, Doug Fisher and many California coaches said he was going to be good because they know boxing.

Furstly, I would like to say sorry for saying the santIAGO brothers, iT IS SANTA CRUZ. OK so let's analyse his fight with Demarco. Valero has low hands which he always had, when he gets attacked he moves back in straight lines with his chin up. Always, and Demarco has like no speed compared to Alexander, Khan and Bradley. Bradley would swarm him, going only back isn't good enough. AGREE OR NOT? Lack of head movement. Khan's jab would hitthat target all day long. AGREE OR NOT? He throws a lot of shots that miss anytime Demarco ducked, and Demarco doesn't exactly have great reflexes. Bradley would make him miss all day. AGREE OR NOT? Demarco's jabbed landed a fair few times. Again, Kotelnik and Khan could box him. AGREE OR NOT? Valero has a lot of looping, short punches. So you need to get closek, but even then his inside game is limited to just that. His head is still tall and hanging there. In fact these are almost arm punches. AGREE OR NOT? Demarco doesn't have the best defence at all AGREE OR NOT? CAPS, BUT **** IT. I AINT EDITING. OPEN SCORING HELPED DEMARCO THINK **** IT. I CAN;T WIN. FIGHT IS AT 135. DEMARCO IS STILL GREEN TO ME, AND NOTORIOUS FOR BEING A SLOW STARTER BTW BUT OK LET'S GO: VALERO HAS NO DEFENSE ON HIS HEAD, WHEN YOU COME IN, HE STANDS THERE OR MAYBE MOVES BACK WITH HIS EHAD OUT AND THROWS HIS PUNCHES BACK. YOU CAN NOT DO THAT AT WORLD LEVEL. IN FACT WATCHING IT AGAIN, ALL VALERO RELIED ON WAS THROWING BACK MORE, AND DIDN'T USE MUCH SKILL. HE STOOD THERE MOST OF THE TIME, GOT HIT MAYBE ONCE BUT LANDED MORE BACK. HE DID NOT SHOW THAT HE COULD IMPROVE OR BE BETTER, OR BEAT ANYONE AT 140. ESPECIALLY SINCE HE FOUGHT AT 135... HE WAS A HEAD HUNTER, MAYBE A FEW STRAIGHT TO THE BODY, BUT HE WAS ALWAYS OPEN. DEMARCO PUNCHED HIS MOUTH PIECE OUT WITH A LOVELY LEFT IN ROUND 2. IF DEMARCO WAS ACCURATE, THEN HE WOULD HVE HAD SUCCESS. VALERO'S HEAD WAS ALWAYS THERE TO BE HIT, BUT HE ALWAYS THREW BACK. HIS LAST 3 FIGHTS BEFORE DEMARCO, AGES 34, 36 AND 39. THE COMMENTATORS EVEN SAID HE DIDN'T FACE GREAT OPPOSITION. 19 IN THE FIRST ROUND, SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW MANY BUMS HE FACED. DEMARCO TOOK SOME GOOD SHOTS. ROUND 3, VALERO RAN INTO A FEW GOOD SHOTS. HE IS TOO OPEN. WAY TOO OPEN. ROUND 4, DEMARCO LANDED NCIE JABS, BUT THE VOLUME FROM VALERO WON HIM IT. DEMARCO IS VERY OPEN, HAS NO DEFENSE HIMSELF. HE IS TOO EASY TO HIT. round 5, valero mouth was wide open. Plus it's a lot mroe tiring when you throw and miss, but Valero couldn't miss at all by this stage. round 6, Demarco hit a lvoely right hook. Demarco's shots that hit ahrd look stronger than Valero's. Valero is just outpunching him a lot. Valero is always there when he throws his combo's, his head held damn high. Always open for counters. Shame DEMARCO wasn't a better fighter. round 7 Demarco has a nice right hook again, damn man Maidana, bradley would hit him on that button all day long. Valero still dominated, but shows me signs his defence is too open. round 8 Valero is still getting tagged with that right hand easily, but demarco just isn;t that good to hit him that much, he hasn't got that speed. round 9. valero again is out punching him. The power doesn't look like 1 punch ko power to me. Demarco got buzzed maybe 2 or 3 times. His legs still looked strong until he quit. He was gassed and quit. So who is Demarco? No noticeable wins to me. Young at 24. Green. Fairly open defence, not so much power or speed. He was no test for Valero, certainly not a top 135 fighter let alone at 140. AND Valero, good heart, good workrate, nice snap in his punces, decent speed and footwork. HOWEVER, his defence is always open, head always there, chin up, he only moves back 1 or 2 steps when he gets attacke,d no lateral movement, when he throws como's he got tagged with hooks. Nah, I aint sold on him. Demarco wasn't an old bum, like Valero's last opponent who was 39 and had 13 loses in Valzasquez. BUT that doesn't mean he was good either. The bold is completely false. Do you realize the way you describe him sounds a lot like pacquiao at 125? Pacquiao had better head movement but he lacked punch variation. Valero lacked head movement but he knew how to throw more than a straight left hand. I'm not saying Valero was a great, I think he was on his way to be a top contender. He was beggining to show something different.

im not sure who he beats but all u guys r overrating the fudge out of him. I have the same opinion as yours bro ...

Antillion is not a top pro. He has made his name from sparrig pac... Lol. Putting Soto through hell for 12 rounds isn't too bad.

Because he whipped a lot of those guys in sparring. And rumor has it, Pac man too. They didn't just hype him for the hell of it. He was a name in So Cal gyms and knocked out Pitalua a big puncher in 2. I wouldn't say he fought nobody, but I think he's live at 140. I don't believe Valero was hype. He was the real deal. Actually, Roach said pac handles valero easily and this was before pac was as established as he is now.

I think he beats everyone there. he stops maidana and ortiz. he was going to fight peterson as his first fight at 140 he was going to beat him. we seen him punch box speed stamina relentless dude had a gash on his head look like cayote droped a anvil on his head and he kept going. Zero chance the guy is dead.

Here is a question for. Show me proof of this very good chin that Maidana possess because if you saw the victor ortiz fight that you would know that maidana has an average chin. He got dropped 3 times before ortiz quit like *****. Those were flash knock downs.. he was never shaken, unlike Ortiz.