A lot of people seem to have amnesia when it comes to JMM/ Barrera and forget about the pre-meditated shot Barrera threw at JMM when he was down.
This is significant for 2 reasons:
1) It negates any point Barrera would've got for the kd, so all you people saying Barrera got robbed a point could finally shut up.
2) Barrera very clearly planned it because he looked at Marquez while down, cocked his hand back, thought about releasing the punch, and then release the punch with full force.
Barrera did this because he was throughly being outclassed and embarrassed by Marquez and he hates when he's being humiliated in a fight. See Hamed and Pacquiao fights as well where he cheats and fouls them when they're showing him up.
Abraham by contrast was throwing the punch as part of the action because Dirrell was running like a *****. There was no premeditation on his part and you can see it in the time sequence which is much shorter than Barreras foul.
The ****ed up thing about all this is that people really seem to remember AA's shot which was a rightful k.o shot and forget Barrera's foul which was a premeditated crime.
Observe:
Start it at around 3:00
And then here is AA/Dirrell (best quality I could find)
start around :50
well, JuanMa Lopez vs Conception round was voted 10-9 for Lopez, so I guess in America 10 point must system must have happened.
so theoretically if you had Marquez winning that round it would have been 10-8 for him. (10-9 minus point from Barrera)
But I would have had it 9-8 for Barrera.
Doesn't that go against the must system though? In that case, the knockdowns would be a wash, and you'd score it 10-9 on who won the round overall. Unless one guy suffered a flash knockdown and the other guy dominated the entire round afterwards.
I have no idea. Im just going by what Ive seen in the past, and Im almost positive that Ive seen a 9-8 round before.
might have just been part of discussion.
might be different depending on where it happens.
I would say the Abraham foul was worse because Arthur already clearly lost and Dirrell should have been celebrating the win of a lifetime. Instead he had to leave on a stretcher but it's okay because he exposed that bum. Plus I wouldn't know about it not being premeditated since they mysteriously kept spilling water in AA corner.
I have actually googled it, but found no clear cut answer. Wikipedia does not give a full answer either. So I basically need more time to research it and I'm a little to tired right now.
As the name implies, someone (winner of the round) must get 10 points, the loser gets 9 or less.
Although if the boxer who wins the round gets a point deducted, then he would get get less than 10, kind of like a punishment.
Ive seen official judging where both guys get less than 10 points a round, so I dont think so.
If you can find documentation proving otherwise I have no problem deferring to that.
I have actually googled it, but found no clear cut answer. Wikipedia does not give a full answer either. So I basically need more time to research it and I'm a little to tired right now.
So it's not that you MUST give one fighter 10 points and the other the same or less?
Ive seen official judging where both guys get less than 10 points a round, so I dont think so.
If you can find documentation proving otherwise I have no problem deferring to that.
I think the reasoning behind the 10 point must system is that they simply both start off with 10 points, and points are taken off from that depending on what happens in the round.
So it's not that you MUST give one fighter 10 points and the other the same or less?
Are you sure this holds for the 10 point must system as well?
I ask because I dont know myself and it sounds somewhat contradictory to not give at least one fighter 10 points in a 10 point MUST system.
I think the reasoning behind the 10 point must system is that they simply both start off with 10 points, and points are taken off from that depending on what happens in the round.
The winner of a round gets the round 10-9.
A knockdown deducts a point from the guy who was knocked down.
Even giving the round to Marquez for whatever reason, it would be 9-9 because of the knockdown.
because of the point deduction, it would be 9-8 even on your scorecard.
Are you sure this holds for the 10 point must system as well?
I ask because I dont know myself and it sounds somewhat contradictory to not give at least one fighter 10 points in a 10 point MUST system.
You mean someone has to get 10 points no matter what happens?
The winner of a round gets the round 10-9.
A knockdown deducts a point from the guy who was knocked down.
Even giving the round to Marquez for whatever reason, it would be 9-9 because of the knockdown.
because of the point deduction, it would be 9-8 even on your scorecard.
Round 7 of JMM/Barrera was a 10-8 round for JMM by any standard.
So it further negates that round being some sort of devastating swing round for Barrera.
10-8 round for JMM.
KD for Mab makes it 9-8
Point deduction then makes it 9-7.
Barrera loses badly no matter how you slice it.
so in that case u can go against the "must " system ???
:lol1:, Martin Kristjansen. He deserved it.
A nice guy like Kristjansen? A true professional?
When I think of dirty fighters I normally don't think of Khan, but he's definetely no angel and his temper can get the better of him. In a neutral venue I reckon he'd have at least a point deducted at 10.30 where he lands 2 solid blows after Kristjansen is down the first time (the referee only gives a caution). At the second KD he lands a solid bodyshot after his opponent is down which goes by unattended by the home ref. Replay at 12.50 :nonono:
It's my opinion. I like clean fighters. Not dirty ones.
But you do like Khan don't you? You know Khan? The guy that punches other people when they are down like MAB did?
It's my opinion. I like clean fighters. Not dirty ones.
Khan mutated to a dirty ass fighter u know. In his last fight he was holding Maidana and pulling his left hand like a b1tch when he got hurt. too bad Cortez didnt see that.
It's my opinion. I like clean fighters. Not dirty ones.
that obviously wasn't a clean punch but what other "dirty" ones did he throw? against Hamed? a clown who trys to embarrass fighters in the ring with his awkward style and stupid dance deserved every bit of it. And put >>>>>>> against two legendary fighters like MAB and JCC is ridiculous, you obviously don't know sh*t about boxing.