How do you rank Barrera, Marquez, Morales

Again, SRL out performed Duran against common opponents. However, by most respectable rankings Duran is rank higher. But, that you means you playing the would of, could of, should of game. That is not how you should rank fighters. You should rank them by who they beat and what they accomplished not what they could of done. Accomplishments are pretty much even between the 3. All 3 are 3 division title holders. All 3 have 1 lineal title. So that is even. Now who has the better wins. No matter what JMM could have done against Hamed or Morales, fact is he didn't fight them. For whatever reason he didn't fight them and he doesn't get extra credit for what he could have done. He doesn't have a win better than a prime Morales and Hamed. He just don't . And, he doesn't have a win better than a prime Barrera and a prime Pacquiao. He just doesn't. Is JMM the better fighter out of the 3? Sure, I will not argue that he is most skilled out of the 3. Is he amongst Morales and Barrera in terms of accomplishments? He is right with them. But, in terms of resume and wins that is where Barrera and Morales separate themselves from JMM. Can't give JMM extra credit cuz' he was avoided or what have you. Because, the fact is we do not know how those fights would have turned out everything about a fantasy fight is opinion and speculation. And, in terms of rankings you go by what actually did happen and you rank in terms of resume/accomplishments. as you said their accomplishment are pretty even so that were longevity comes in. and Marquez edges Marco and Morales in my opinion for that category ( but not enough to edge him clearly in front of Morales in my opinion) but i would agree if i was ranking them based on signature wins only then i wouldnt have Marquez and Morales tied for the top spot

i dont rank Marquez number 1 its a tie in my opinion between Morales and Marquez but Marco is clearly third. for the reason that they out performed in against common opponents. Again, SRL out performed Duran against common opponents. However, by most respectable rankings Duran is rank higher. there i not a guy on marco resume that Marquez and Morales didnt fight that i dont think Morales and Marquez wouldnt be able to beat But, that you means you playing the would of, could of, should of game. That is not how you should rank fighters. You should rank them by who they beat and what they accomplished not what they could of done. Accomplishments are pretty much even between the 3. All 3 are 3 division title holders. All 3 have 1 lineal title. So that is even. Now who has the better wins. No matter what JMM could have done against Hamed or Morales, fact is he didn't fight them. For whatever reason he didn't fight them and he doesn't get extra credit for what he could have done. He doesn't have a win better than a prime Morales and Hamed. He just don't . And, he doesn't have a win better than a prime Barrera and a prime Pacquiao. He just doesn't. Is JMM the better fighter out of the 3? Sure, I will not argue that he is most skilled out of the 3. Is he amongst Morales and Barrera in terms of accomplishments? He is right with them. But, in terms of resume and wins that is where Barrera and Morales separate themselves from JMM. Can't give JMM extra credit cuz' he was avoided or what have you. Because, the fact is we do not know how those fights would have turned out everything about a fantasy fight is opinion and speculation. And, in terms of rankings you go by what actually did happen and you rank in terms of resume/accomplishments.

Well Marquez acknowledged he was offered the fight and a career high payday. Sad part is he fought someone a week or so around the time he could have fought Hamed. So you mean to tell me he was ready for that fight not Hamed? Whatever dude. I'm just gonna delete all of my comments as I was baited into dissing Marquez, something I really didn't want to do as I respect him as a fighter. That's really a shortcoming I have as a poster on this site....letting fans bait me into dissing guys I like and respect. Happened with Roy, B-Hop and several others...but this time I'm just gonna fall back. its really perception of the information i dont think you were dissing him because you believe he should have made the most of his opportunity. i understand that but i dont agree that hamed didnt duck or willing chose not fight Marquez for 2 years

SRL out performed Duran by their common opponents. However, by most rankings Duran is rank higer. So what? Is that the reason you ranking him #1 is cuz' he could have had the better wins? Charles Burley was avoided by most elite fighters, should he be rank ahead of fighters that actually have the better wins/resume? i dont rank Marquez number 1 its a tie in my opinion between Morales and Marquez but Marco is clearly third. for the reason that they out performed in against common opponents. there i not a guy on marco resume that Marquez and Morales didnt fight that i dont think Morales and Marquez wouldnt be able to beat

excuse... dont overlook this fact Marquez was reached to fight hamed on short notice after being hamed #1 contender for 2 years. less deserving fighters fought hamed in that 2 year periond. the one time hamed makes a offer to Marquez is on short notice. thats a fact not an excuse Well Marquez acknowledged he was offered the fight and a career high payday. Sad part is he fought someone a week or so around the time he could have fought Hamed. So you mean to tell me he was ready for that fight not Hamed? Whatever dude. I'm just gonna delete all of my comments as I was baited into dissing Marquez, something I really didn't want to do as I respect him as a fighter. That's really a shortcoming I have as a poster on this site....letting fans bait me into dissing guys I like and respect. Happened with Roy, B-Hop and several others...but this time I'm just gonna fall back.

FWIW Marquez was offered a career high payday against Morales, but turned down that fight as well. Morales admits on not choosing to fight Marquez Juan Manuel Marquez. “I’ve been hearing in the news that Juan Manuel Marquez is interest in a rematch with Pacquiao, I don’t blame him. There were times I pushed back facing him when I had better proposals,” said Morales http://www.*********.com/Boxing/erik-morales-update-4-68902#more-68902

Marquez out performed Marco in all their common opponents and Morales also out performed Marco in their common opponents SRL out performed Duran by their common opponents. However, by most rankings Duran is rank higer. facts are that hamed, Marco, and Morales fought less deserving challengers while Marquez was a top contender at featherweight. go ahead and find a ring magazine from that time and you will find that Marquez was rated in the top 5 by all three major alphabet organizations before he pick up his belt from the ibf. So what? Is that the reason you ranking him #1 is cuz' he could have had the better wins? Charles Burley was avoided by most elite fighters, should he be rank ahead of fighters that actually have the better wins/resume?

JMM MAB Morales

Archived copy of the original article I mean just look at the excuses given in this. I remember reading this a few days after the Augie Sanchez fight, so I never got why people were on the whole Hamed is ducking Marquez crap. I know that's the excuse the Marquez camp likes to give..... but whatever. If for 2 years you have been crying for a fight, and then someone not only offers you the fight, but a career high payday .......on HBO......you mean to tell me your gonna turn it down? Let's be serious for a second. excuse... dont overlook this fact Marquez was reached to fight hamed on short notice after being hamed #1 contender for 2 years. less deserving fighters fought hamed in that 2 year periond. the one time hamed makes a offer to Marquez is on short notice. thats a fact not an excuse

lols, so anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong? GTFO Its always coincidentally a pactard that takes the exact position you spouse.

hmmm.. another hardcore pactard putting JMM in 3rd place. How original. :buttkick: lols, so anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong? GTFO

I know that's the excuse the Marquez camp likes to give..... but whatever. If for 2 years you have been crying for a fight, and then someone not only offers you the fight, but a career high payday .......on HBO......you mean to tell me your gonna turn it down? Let's be serious for a second. So if Manny offers Martinez a fight today scheduled for February 21st, you're gonna claim Martinez is ducking Manny?

1) morales 2) mab 3) jmm if you have it any other way, you are messed up in the head. clearly morales is better than both and mab is better than jmm. out of these guys morales alone beat pac. mab lost to pac 2x and jmm lost to pac 2x. mab was robbed against jmm imho. he should've won. having jmm ahead of morales or mab is just wrong. comparing them as they are now is fukked up. morales and mab fought war after war after war. jmm didn't take a lot of damage early in his career. morales is the best, mab is second best, and jmm is third hmmm.. another hardcore pactard putting JMM in 3rd place. How original. :buttkick:

Archived copy of the original article I mean just look at the excuses given in this. I remember reading this a few days after the Augie Sanchez fight, so I never got why people were on the whole Hamed is ducking Marquez crap. lmao... that shit is so fucking weak man. I was expecting a smoking gun at least. Do you even read the articles you post? :lol1:

I know that the excuse the Marquez camp likes to give but whatever. If you having been crying for a fight for 2 years and then someone not only offers you the fight, but a career high payday on HBO......you mean to tell me your gonna turn it down? Let's be serious for a second. Not saying you are wrong but should they have taken it. I mean wouldn't the short notice benefit the champion(prob not always the case). With that said Jmm made some of the stupidest decisions concerning his career.

I'm done with this thread outta respect for Marquez. I like the guy but I hate when his fans like to twist fact, alter history, and make it seem like he was this guy everyone ducked. Man I followed those divisions since the late 90's and that was far from the truth. If anything I just chalk it up as him having a bad manager because Nacho was behind all of those decisions....but whatever. Marquez is a HOF, borderline ATG but please cut the crap that everyone was ducking him. I'm out.

why people ignore the fact that fight was offered on short notice Marquez was hamed mando for 2 years and the only time he gets offered the fight is on short notice. mean while hamed is beating less deserving fighters I know that's the excuse the Marquez camp likes to give..... but whatever. If for 2 years you have been crying for a fight, and then someone not only offers you the fight, but a career high payday .......on HBO......you mean to tell me your gonna turn it down? Let's be serious for a second.

At this point in time, how do yo rank these 3 in order of greatness? I have it: #1. JMM #2. Barrera #3. Morales 1) morales 2) mab 3) jmm if you have it any other way, you are messed up in the head. clearly morales is better than both and mab is better than jmm. out of these guys morales alone beat pac. mab lost to pac 2x and jmm lost to pac 2x. mab was robbed against jmm imho. he should've won. having jmm ahead of morales or mab is just wrong. comparing them as they are now is fukked up. morales and mab fought war after war after war. jmm didn't take a lot of damage early in his career. morales is the best, mab is second best, and jmm is third

Archived copy of the original article Saturday, August 26, 2000 Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal Featherweight Marquez said no to Hamed By Royce Feour Review-Journal Juan Manuel Marquez conceded Friday that he turned down a fight with Prince Naseem Hamed, the World Boxing Organization featherweight champion. Marquez, of Mexico City, will meet Daniel Jiminez of Puerto Rico in the 10-round featherweight main event Sunday at the Union Plaza. The six-bout card is scheduled to start at 11 a.m. After being turned down by Marquez and reportedly others, Hamed went on to knock out Las Vegan Augie Sanchez in the fourth round Aug. 19 at Foxwoods in Mashantucket, Conn., in an HBO-televised fight. "I had been waiting two years," said Marquez, speaking through a translator. "Now they want the fight. I wasn't prepared. They did not give me sufficient time to get prepared." Marquez had been the No. 1 WBO challenger for almost two years and did not get a shot at Hamed during that time, according to Fernando Beltran, Marquez's Mexican promoter. Marquez, who turned 27 Wednesday, said Hamed is difficult to fight. "Hamed is like a wrestler," Marquez said. "He will toss you around if he can. It is almost the same way with fighting (Freddie) Norwood. You have to knock him out to get the victory." Marquez lost a decision to Norwood, the World Boxing Association featherweight champion, in a title bout at Mandalay Bay on Sept. 11. Marquez said he would like to fight Hamed as the champion of one of the other sanctioning bodies. Otherwise, Marquez said, fighting Hamed "is not on even terms." Nacho Beristain, Marquez's manager, criticized the Hamed camp's negotiating tactics. "They want to get us when all of our energies are gone (from negotiating)," Beristain said. "They are only playing with our heads. We never want to fight (Hamed). Who do they think they are? They came out with an offer of $400,000. It is not worth it." Beristain said he thought it would be better to sign a contract with Top Rank to promote Marquez. Beltran offered some contradiction, but it is probably a matter of semantics. "We never turned down a fight with Hamed," Beltran said. "We knew they were only (BS-ing). We said, `Forget about it.' " Beltran said he was working on a rematch with Norwood. Marquez is 31-2 since turning pro in 1993. Jimenez, 30, is a former WBO super bantamweight champion who dropped down and won the WBO bantamweight title. He is 28-8-1. See Scoreboard on 6C for fight card. I mean just look at the excuses given in this. I remember reading this a few days after the Augie Sanchez fight, so I never got why people were on the whole Hamed is ducking Marquez crap.

Actually hearing it from the fighter himself holds more weight IMO. Again Marquez himself admitted he wasn't ready as well as confirming he was offered 400k, a career high payday. Who gives a sh1t what steward has to say because the negioation never involved him only Frank Warren, Nacho Beristain and Frank Beltran. Why anyone quotes trainers when it comes to discussing negotiations is beyond me. Why do people listen to Freddy Roach? Because he knows the sport and he knows his fighter. Listening to the guys who are paid to lie and manipulate is what should be beyond you. Like any promoter is gonna come out and say: "yeah, the guy I make my money off is out ducking better fighters" :lol1: