Paul Williams and his camp are straight *******.

He just thought that Martinez was an unnown bum before the first fight. After that, he realized that even though Martinez only had a 4 week camp, he was a severe threat that practically beat him in the first match. Williams didn't want the second fight because he knew he would lose the fight- hence the cachweight. The comments post fight the second time were only to save face.......bottomline- Martinez taxed that ass!!!!

he should stay at 160, just stop fighting martinez :D

Care to elaborate homey?? Williams himself and his camp said they could fight from 147 to 160, easy.

Ive been a Williams fan for a while, and I can honestly say that he isnt a 147lb fighter naturally. If I had to pick a natural class for him, 154lbs would be it. But 147lbs isnt that far down, and i think he could make that easily. People throw the word exposed around way too much. I didnt think Williams got exposed by Quintana and i didnt think he got exposed by Martinez. To be exposed, Williams would have to NEVER been as easily hittable is he was/is today. He was super-hittable when he was smashing opponents (Sharmba Mitchell, Walter Mathysse, Verno Phillips come to mind). Thats the first thing i honestly noticed about Williams when I started following him. So to say he's been "exposed" doesnt really hold alot of weight, because he's always been getting hit since his career started. As far as weight is concerned, I really dont look at the weight he has to make, I look at what he hydrates to. Some peeps on this board feel like he should move up to 168-175lbs ( and a few dumbasses REALLY think he should be a heavyweight). But if you've ever paid attention to what some of those guys hydrate to, you would quickly notice that alot of them come in as damn near cruiserweights (Glenn Johnson came in at 190lbs against Tavoris Cloud, who weight 187 himself. Chad Dawson weight in at 186 on fight night against Jean Paschal, who was 185lbs in their fight). Pavlik was 178 against Martinez. Jermain Taylor routinely weight around 170 in his middleweight fights. Williams barely cracked 168lbs when he fought Martinez the second time, and that was a first for him. Williams would get murdered at those higher weights. Not necessarily from a skill standpoint, but from a strength standpoint. He just doesnt have the "pop" in his fists to keep guys off of him. I think he could compete from a heart standpoint tho, most definitely. Not too many fighters have more heart that P-Will. He would give whoever he fought at those weights a fight, for however long it lasted. And why is it that Ali Funeka's 6'1 ass gets no flack for being a lightweight? Celestino Caballero isnt short by any means. I recently saw a guy , Jose Teron, and he is damn tall to be in the division he is in. If some of you guy's logic applied to Funeka, he would be a middleweight as well. At one point, people have to get over Paul being 6'2+ and realize that he is rail thin. 154-160lbs is about right for him, 168 is a reaaaaaaal stretch

Angulo would straight up murder Williams. Collazo outboxes him imo as would Zinziruk. Williams really just sucks badly. You're funny as hell. :rofl:

Paul needs to either do something like fight Dzinziruk or at the very least a confidence building fight like against Luis Collazo. The reason I think those guys would be good opponents for him is because they don't have devastating power. Angulo would tear Williams apart. I've thought about that match up too, and I know Angulo isn't the most skilled guy in the world. But if he landed flush on Williams, TIMBER!!!! Angulo would straight up murder Williams. Collazo outboxes him imo as would Zinziruk. Williams really just sucks badly.

Paul needs to either do something like fight Dzinziruk or at the very least a confidence building fight like against Luis Collazo. The reason I think those guys would be good opponents for him is because they don't have devastating power. Angulo would tear Williams apart. I've thought about that match up too, and I know Angulo isn't the most skilled guy in the world. But if he landed flush on Williams, TIMBER!!!!

the weight doesnt matter just I think he gets beat by most top fighters

nobody is gonna fight pwill at WW. going back to WW is a cop out. if pwill says sergio landed a lucky punch, then they should be trying to force a rubbermatch.

Paul Williams is a good fighter but he is not the great feared fighter that his team is making him out to be.I wish Jose Luis Lopez was around and he would put a whoopin on the punisher. Hell yeah Homie Jose Luis "El Maestrito" Lopez Would Punish that fake ass Punisher, Too bad he couldnt get off that weed!! Man that dude wa a bad ****en fighter. Did you see the way he destroyed Campas and how he had a young prime Quartey running for his life!! Wasted Talent right there, he could of been one of the greates Mexican fighters of all time if he had the right guidance!!

i agree with all this and its true. hyped by his own team is the thing that sticks out too. if he goesback to 147 with a good puncher i think he will regret. hes not getting younger and i feel maybe his body doesnt want to perform much at 147-154. he should have stayed at 154 then work into 160 and so forth. Paul Williams is a good fighter but he is not the great feared fighter that his team is making him out to be.I wish Jose Luis Lopez was around and he would put a whoopin on the punisher.

By this clowns logic, Chico shouldn't be remembered for anything. A 6 foot man fighting at lightweight just aint right I tell ya!.. Idiot

You know. I have never seen Williams enter a ring with a real sweat ever. Even at 160 he looks kinda dry. He may be able to make 147, but is he healthy doing that? especially now that he is knocking on 30? Sure he can make 147, but what would be his optimum weight? I cannot agree it is 147 or 154 at this point. He needs 160 or more IMO, especially now that he is at the age where his bones will thicken and fill out. Paul has been mismanaged the past few years. He should have picked a weight class and allow himself to gradually grow out of it. Instead he got so overhyped by his own team, that every other management team started to believe the hype and he could not even get a decent fight for the life of him. So then he started playing the weight class yoyo game just to get fights, which would place more strain on his body. Added to his aggressive style and lack of defense, well we all know what the result was. I mean this guy was a wrecking machine. Many in here will say he got exposed etc, but I say a healthy Williams would have handed Martinez his a$$. His career was built all wrong. He had no fanbase because his promoter never gave him a chance to build one. He was tossed to whatever casino and network that was broadcasting. He had to switch weight classes and jump around because he had to go get fights, as he had no upper hand, no home crowd and no solid base to build on. i agree with all this and its true. hyped by his own team is the thing that sticks out too. if he goesback to 147 with a good puncher i think he will regret. hes not getting younger and i feel maybe his body doesnt want to perform much at 147-154. he should have stayed at 154 then work into 160 and so forth.

Well said TS.. P Will got exposed... He doesn't fight like a top tier P4P'er. Looked amateurish in there swinging wild looping punches.. no movement/defense. Martinez showed in this fight he is levels above. He was tagging williams at will from the first bell.

You know. I have never seen Williams enter a ring with a real sweat ever. Even at 160 he looks kinda dry. He may be able to make 147, but is he healthy doing that? especially now that he is knocking on 30? Sure he can make 147, but what would be his optimum weight? I cannot agree it is 147 or 154 at this point. He needs 160 or more IMO, especially now that he is at the age where his bones will thicken and fill out. Paul has been mismanaged the past few years. He should have picked a weight class and allow himself to gradually grow out of it. Instead he got so overhyped by his own team, that every other management team started to believe the hype and he could not even get a decent fight for the life of him. So then he started playing the weight class yoyo game just to get fights, which would place more strain on his body. Added to his aggressive style and lack of defense, well we all know what the result was. I mean this guy was a wrecking machine. Many in here will say he got exposed etc, but I say a healthy Williams would have handed Martinez his a$$. His career was built all wrong. He had no fanbase because his promoter never gave him a chance to build one. He was tossed to whatever casino and network that was broadcasting. He had to switch weight classes and jump around because he had to go get fights, as he had no upper hand, no home crowd and no solid base to build on.

Because Paul Williams says so...Funny how that tune has changed. Care to elaborate homey??

when he finally fights a legit well prepared 160 pounder he gets KOed. its no wonder why this guy chooses to stay at 147_154 and soft bodies at 160. at 168+ he'll get murked. Yeah...and williams kept ducking pavlik. Right? :pat:

the thing is hearns moved up to cruiserweight eventually didnt he? he didnt stay around 147_160 to pick advantages. thats wht pwill is doing. he feeds off advantages imo. if he ate like a normal person i bet hed walk around 170+ easy. he hurts his own health in the long run constantly staying low for advantages. i got no prob if he can make 147. but dont talk nobody wants to fight or your the best when you should prove it againest guys at 168 like your trainer said supposedly he could do years ago. :lol1: :lol1:

LOL, when was height-class invented? I missed the memo.

Because U say so??:killyou: Because Paul Williams says so...Funny how that tune has changed.