After Watching Martinez vs Pavlik and Williams Sergio Isnt All That

You are such a fool, this is exactly what Sergios plan was. Why do you think he threw the same punch twice before? He knew at some point it was going to land right on the button and why? Because as you said the guy has noodle arms and fights face first, do you guys know nothing of a GAMEPLAN? I mean for christ sake Sergio even said this time I'm not leaving it up to the judges and he made sure of it in two rounds. And lets not call it a "lucky" punch he had already planted Williams once in the first fight he could have done it again. And I think Sergio is a solid fighter, he is in/out uses his legs well and generally is unpredictable. However, he does have bad habits and thats where I see him getting in trouble, he drops his hands way too often and he got hit quite a few times by Pavlik for doing it. The other is that he bends over to his right quite a bit, I would think he'd be prone to some feints and an opponent take advantage of that. I'm not sure if he's overrated, but he really is the only guy deserving to be #3 P4P. Granted I think PWill has always been garbage and felt Pavlik simply can't beat a slick boxer as Hopkins proved, but yet... those two guys were the best MW's and he KO'd one cold and busted up the other, he gets the praise he deserves. http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/a5c94d80bc8990bfc077b03499654a85.gif I think you miss read the conversation. I was saying that Sergio planned that punch on Williams and it wasnt a lucky one-time punch, so.............

Naw, he tried that same over hand left twice before he knocked Williams out. The fact that a 6'2 man with noodles for arms was fighting that close to a more compact fight was more of Williams not being an intelligent fighter and putting his chin on a pedestal then Martinez landing the perfect punch. You are such a fool, this is exactly what Sergios plan was. Why do you think he threw the same punch twice before? He knew at some point it was going to land right on the button and why? Because as you said the guy has noodle arms and fights face first, do you guys know nothing of a GAMEPLAN? I mean for christ sake Sergio even said this time I'm not leaving it up to the judges and he made sure of it in two rounds. And lets not call it a "lucky" punch he had already planted Williams once in the first fight he could have done it again. And I think Sergio is a solid fighter, he is in/out uses his legs well and generally is unpredictable. However, he does have bad habits and thats where I see him getting in trouble, he drops his hands way too often and he got hit quite a few times by Pavlik for doing it. The other is that he bends over to his right quite a bit, I would think he'd be prone to some feints and an opponent take advantage of that. I'm not sure if he's overrated, but he really is the only guy deserving to be #3 P4P. Granted I think PWill has always been garbage and felt Pavlik simply can't beat a slick boxer as Hopkins proved, but yet... those two guys were the best MW's and he KO'd one cold and busted up the other, he gets the praise he deserves.

Sergio is all that and more. He will give anybody a fight for their life. The only defect he has is that he takes off a few rounds to catch his breath and sometimes waits too long. And his style is very smooth as well. He's slick, fast and hits hard. I see no other flaws in him except going in with his hands down

He's got some technical flaws........speed and reflexes hide it though. he's kinda like calzaghe and darchinyan in the sense when you watch them fight you think no way is this an elite boxer yet they actually seem to know what they are doing

Martinez Vs Pavlik was a close fight and the cut changed the fight, if Pavlik hadn't got cut i think he would have gone on to win pavlik got some of the middle rounds but if you watch sergio fights he always seems to kinda take off those mid rounds so either way i don't think pavlik was goin to win sergio always seems to fight the 1st 4 and the last 4

You don't have to have sound fundamentals if you have a style that works. Ask Roy Jones Jr. And just look at what happened to Prince Naseem once Manny Steward tried to turn him into a textbook boxer, he was never the same. He beats any 154 or 160 fighter around, i'd say he definitely is all that. Agree with this. A belt at 154 and the lineal MW champ. It depends what you classify as 'being all that'.

Funny u say so because it's quite obvious that the 2 (so called better pfp fighters)won't come near him!!But before the size excuse rolls in,I'll go ahead & squash it real quick with facts:both Manny & Floyd have won jr middleweight titles,so there's no logical reason that can be given as to why either couldn't face him!!But at least Floyd is on hiatus,while team Pacman won't defend their title against him,instead they chose grandpa Mosley,(no direspect to Mosley of course),if team Pacman offered me 50g's I'd fight him tomorrow!! Neither has anything to prove fighting Martinez at 154.....but Pac fans piss me off with this 8 division bull****....i wouldn't wipe my ass with that 8th title....it's completely illegitimate in my opinion. However it's less logical for Manny to fight him. His fight at 154 was at a CW and a sham. floyd's fight at 154 is a much better win at that weight against a much better opponent. Floyd also came in at 150. It's more logical for Floyd to fight him at 154 than it is for Manny.

He's got some technical flaws........speed and reflexes hide it though.

But Martinez did land the perfect punch and he gameplanned to do just that because he did try it more than one and knew where Paul would be and what he'd do... You can't take that away from him... Watched the 2nd fight again last night on HBO. Martinez landed a similar shot to Paul in the first round. It was perfect timing and landed directly at the jaw.

Funny u say so because it's quite obvious that the 2 (so called better pfp fighters)won't come near him!!But before the size excuse rolls in,I'll go ahead & squash it real quick with facts:both Manny & Floyd have won jr middleweight titles,so there's no logical reason that can be given as to why either couldn't face him!!But at least Floyd is on hiatus,while team Pacman won't defend their title against him,instead they chose grandpa Mosley,(no direspect to Mosley of course),if team Pacman offered me 50g's I'd fight him tomorrow!! LOL so its ok for Floyd. Even though Pac beat Margarito, Pac took more punches compare to the 4 fights before Marg. I don't like the Pac-Mosley fight but Pac deserve to have an easy fight.

And that almost got him stopped if thats the case as Pavlik had him hurt and even put him on the canvas... That was in a no way a knock down. Martinez tripped over Pavlik's foot in addition to Pavlik holding his head down.

What makes Sergio Martinez a great fighter and that will let him fight a couple years down the line is his ability to adapt. If you look at his fights he's very talented obviously. What people have already mentioned is that he has great skills. His speed, athleticism was definitely able to prevail vs people such as Pavlik and Williams. However what also happened in those fights he's able to adapt. In the Williams rematch, he worked on his overhand left that put Williams out. In the first fight, Martinez had a lot of sucess with the right hook, not the left hand. It was a change of pace that won him the rematch. Also midfight he makes adjustments. Yes he cut Pavlik, but he was able to take away the jab by moving to throw off Pavlik. In the Williams fight he was clearly gassing, but he toughed it out and fought. I thought Williams won their fight just by an edge (115-114), but Martinez definitely showed skill. This being all said, he has weaknesses. He has the bad tendency of getting smacked with a huge shot and then fighting right back after, but that's a fun style for the fans. I also think a long tall jabber like Pavlik can control his speed, but he adapts in every fight. He's still the third best fighter in the sport right now.

I'd love to see a Martinez-Williams rubber match myself...... I wouldn't... especially because after the fight, Williams said he'd fight Martinez again, the same way. After seeing Williams get the nod in the first fight I was hoping he'd abandon his usual tactic and actually consider learning how to box and sit down on a punch or two.

And btw. Pavlik+Williams+Cintron >>> Better than Mayweather's entire resume. Terrible post.

Williams who has a face first style beat him. Really? The fight I saw was Martinez brutally knocking Williams the fvkk out and possible ruining his career.

His punches are sloppy and lazy. He trys to move with slickness he dosent have. He walks forward with his combinations instead of sitting on them or using his legs. He comes in head first and reaches with his punches. Honestly he fights like a really athletic amateur fighter. You can easily tell he started boxing in his twenties. Lacks alot of traditional boxing techniques that will come and bite him in the ass. Still a fan though. Funny u say so because it's quite obvious that the 2 (so called better pfp fighters)won't come near him!!But before the size excuse rolls in,I'll go ahead & squash it real quick with facts:both Manny & Floyd have won jr middleweight titles,so there's no logical reason that can be given as to why either couldn't face him!!But at least Floyd is on hiatus,while team Pacman won't defend their title against him,instead they chose grandpa Mosley,(no direspect to Mosley of course),if team Pacman offered me 50g's I'd fight him tomorrow!!

Yea he got in that ass with the skills he does posses, im not trying to attack him but he is not a well polished boxer yet. He started boxing at 20 Pavlik and PWill both fought as kids so that right there shows you the type of athlete Martinez is hes a natural.

But Martinez did land the perfect punch and he gameplanned to do just that because he did try it more than one and knew where Paul would be and what he'd do... You can't take that away from him... Yea, Sergio did what he was supposed to do. But say I leave $100 dollars in my car with the door wide open and theif comes and happily does what he planned on doing that day and takes it and happily has himself a new $100 dollar bill. I (aka P.Will) could have been more careful with my hundred dollars.

Naw, he tried that same over hand left twice before he knocked Williams out. The fact that a 6'2 man with noodles for arms was fighting that close to a more compact fight was more of Williams not being an intelligent fighter and putting his chin on a pedestal then Martinez landing the perfect punch. But Martinez did land the perfect punch and he gameplanned to do just that because he did try it more than one and knew where Paul would be and what he'd do... You can't take that away from him...

yes.and he knocked williams the fuk out by accident Naw, he tried that same over hand left twice before he knocked Williams out. The fact that a 6'2 man with noodles for arms was fighting that close to a more compact fight was more of Williams not being an intelligent fighter and putting his chin on a pedestal then Martinez landing the perfect punch.