What must a boxer do in order to raise PED suspicion?

forget about pac?..lol.please ....the reason for this thread is to bash pacquiao mofo....you should try a more intelligent approach to hide your agenda cotto hugger....your boy got ****ed by pac fair and square ..get over it! KTFO Manny Pacquio and you shoot right to the top of the suspected PED list. When Manny KTFO out of Hatton its all good.

Roided Mosley looked extremely stronger than Dela hoya in the 2nd fight but still lost. Roided Vargas got KTFO by Oscar. Can PEDS automatically make you look like Superman? NO Hopkins is 46 and is doing well. Holyfield is similar in age and still fighting but looks worse. is Nard Roiding? Pac is knocking bigger fighters now. Is Pac on roids? Floyd climbs as high as 54 from 130 and is unbeaten. Is Floyd on Roids? Amirk Khan got Kayoed by Presscott by was able to withstand Maidana's bombs? Is Amir on Roids? ======== Better testing YES. Idiotic assumptions and speculations NO holyfields name has been mentioned in various hgh youth rplenishment clinics when they are shut down. never anything farther than that though.

Here is a reminder that one can answer the questions without Pac in the mix. But keep in mind that it was the defensive Pactards who came in here and brought Pac into the mix. Which show that if the fans who love and worship this man cant separate Pac from PED, how can anyone else? 1. I do believe there has been using in boxing before and still is. How much? I dont know. 2.If Victor Conte the master of hiding drug use and Co founder of Balco says Boxing testing is weak. Then hey Who am I to argue. I can argue my trade not his. 3.I believe our Idols, some past and some present may have used. Aaron Pryor(magic bottle), Resto mentioned more than just glove tampering. Panama Lewis Cmon. 4. Do anything NOT NORMAL. When Mcquire and Bonds began hitting balls further than we ever seen on the regular, That was not normal. When Ben Johnson Blew away Carl Lewis ..that looked suspicious. Were we wrong in our suspicions. History answers that. There has always been PED's in boxing, but not EPO, HGH. Shots of whiskey, sniffing salts, eating coffee beans were all normal 30+ years ago. I'm not quite sure how much EPO and HGH or anabolic steriods play today as Boxing doesn't seem to be a sport that benefits from these types of PEDs. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't that many users in Boxing, especially at the higher levels. Testing is weak but that's a result of a lack of a unified commission and demand for more strict testing. I agree that many Greats probably used some sort of PED but they weren't banned or tested like they are now. What is not normal? A guy moving up weight and doing well against lower level opposition or a guy staying at one weight and doing well against lower opposition? BTW you do know both Johnson and Lewis had positive results for steroid use but Lewis' was hidden from the public.

Even though i think the whole PED thing is becoming a joke. i guess a fighter has to perform far above and beyond anything we have ever seen him do, with little explaination. but this doesnt mean he's defo on ped's I think that is a bad gauge. Instead, we should be looking for people doing things far beyond they have ever been able to do. i.e. a feather fist becoming a KO artist, an out-of shape 4 round fighter not breaking a sweat after 12 hard rounds. There are always going to be freaks of nature like Phelps, Bolt, Lance Armstrong but they have always been those freaks. Those three in particular, there are physiological reasons why they're so much better than the competition. Phelps is perhaps the perfect build for a swimmer, Bolt has a longer stride than any other sprinter, Lance's body breaks down amino acids more efficiently than anyone else on the planet (that we know of). Now take Bonds or McGuire, they go from slightly above average home run hitters to hitting double/triple their seasonal average within a year or two.

Here is a reminder that one can answer the questions without Pac in the mix. But keep in mind that it was the defensive Pactards who came in here and brought Pac into the mix. Which show that if the fans who love and worship this man cant separate Pac from PED, how can anyone else? 1. I do believe there has been using in boxing before and still is. How much? I dont know. 2.If Victor Conte the master of hiding drug use and Co founder of Balco says Boxing testing is weak. Then hey Who am I to argue. I can argue my trade not his. 3.I believe our Idols, some past and some present may have used. Aaron Pryor(magic bottle), Resto mentioned more than just glove tampering. Panama Lewis Cmon. 4. Do anything NOT NORMAL. When Mcquire and Bonds began hitting balls further than we ever seen on the regular, That was not normal. When Ben Johnson Blew away Carl Lewis ..that looked suspicious. Were we wrong in our suspicions. History answers that.

"forgetting about pacquiao" my ass.. :lol1: :haha: ....yeah....impossible;)

It doesn't take much to raise PED suspicion. You can be an ex-convict/ex-boxer and the father of a pro fighter and just make up rumors and people on the forum will eat, drink and live by these rumors. But everybody knows that by now.

"forgetting about pacquiao" my ass.. :lol1:

Puga you must be a huge F@g. ask you momma what she thinks of me....i'll let you smell where you came from someday!......

Reading the Coach's post i see you are Baracuda's alt, and thus i now know this conversation is going nowhere.............good day. he's so obsessed with baracuda beacuse of ownage he took from him ....i got along with baracuda great by the way, tho i dont deny this is not my OG acccount....you prolly got ownwed bad by baracuda too huh?....lol

Reading the Coach's post i see you are Baracuda's alt, and thus i now know this conversation is going nowhere.............good day. Are you serious? Well thank God. I was worried that there was one more dumb muthaphukka walking this earth. Ignore list getting mighty long these days.

ok then.....the point is commmsion doctors say bloodtesatin is unnecesary and impractical for drug testing....meaning jsut stick to commision testing like everyone else does, thats the bttomline!..... Reading the Coach's post i see you are Baracuda's alt, and thus i now know this conversation is going nowhere.............good day.

nice avatar pic, congrats again. Thanks. :You_Rock_

urine........ ....but alas you keep missing the point....... What test did they use on Shane?? Keep in mind in addition with undetectable THG and the cream he was also taking - testosterone - EPO - Modanofil all detectable............. Also keep in mind if boxing outsourced testing to USADA we would now know the time period in which Shane used THG as they store samples for eight years, and any wins whilst he was on THG could be rightfully overturned to a NC. ok then.....the point is commmsion doctors say bloodtesatin is unnecesary and impractical for drug testing....meaning jsut stick to commision testing like everyone else does, thats the bttomline!.....

Baracuda, can you read? nice avatar pic, congrats again.

ok then, what test did they use on hoya, was it blood testing?... urine........ ....but alas you keep missing the point....... What test did they use on Shane?? Keep in mind in addition with undetectable THG and the cream he was also taking - testosterone - EPO - Modanofil all detectable............. Also keep in mind if boxing outsourced testing to USADA we would now know the time period in which Shane used THG as they store samples for eight years, and any wins whilst he was on THG could be rightfully overturned to a NC.

ummmm, did you not see Marg/Pac? Freddy wouldnt allow Garcia to watch them wrap Mannys hands, and it's known that Freddy rolls tape between mannys knuckles the make the ridges higher... It's the same way Oscar wraps his hands, now Manny is doing it.. That is incorrect...

very weak reply son. Ponder this for a minute. Thomas Hauser (the most respected boxing writer on the planet) has challenged ODLH to make public his commission testing results for the duration of his career? Hauser believes ODLH has tested +ve to a banned substance, which was subsequently swept under the rug by the commission?? Why would they do that?? The answer is pretty obvious.......can't kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Ever wonder why Oscar was never pissed at Shane Mosley for being beating him whilst on a cocktail of PED's?? Surely that would piss any sportsperson off.......why is Oscar so forgiving?? ok then, what test did they use on hoya, was it blood testing?...

you provided me with an article...you did'nt provide any names..... Baracuda, can you read?

So explain to me why Dr Margaret Goodman, Dr Don Caitlin, and WADA have no credibility????? i said conte and tygart have no credibilty....explain to me that that dr. Voy or dr watson have no credibilty either?...