whats better to fight Mosley? or not to fight at all? :)

This whole post is suspect!!News flash kiddo,Mosley has no authority to chose Pacman,it was team Pacman that chose Mosley!!If ur gonna start bashing,bash the cherrypicker,not the cherrypicked!! You obviosly didn't read my post, if you did you would have noticed that I said Pac has no excuse for choosing this fight. Of course Mosley is in no position to demand anything after two awful performances. He won the Pac sweepstakes only because he weasled his way out of GBP and is very low risk.

Are those his only 2 options? Then as a Pac fan I rather him not fight at all. I rather him go on a long vacation or retire than have a waste of time fight. This fight does nothing for me and it will get nothing from me. Is garbage one of the better pac fans on this site. respect

Apparently you point out what you want to point out and leave out the rest... like the fact that Mosley absolutely pounded Margarito when Tony was on a roll. After that, Shane was considered the best WW in the world by all ratings... Ring, ESPN. Who did he fight after Tony............Floyd. Fighters fight, promoters promote. Bob Arum will never allow any of his fighters to enter a ring with Floyd Mayweather Jr... Mark my words. When Floyd called out Hatton and Cotto after beating Gatti, Bob said Cotto was still too green and not ready. They offered Floyd 8 mil to fight Margarito.. while GBP offered him 15-20 mil to fight Oscar (what would you do?). He said drug test.. they said no. They even had him sign up to hand over 10 mil for every lb he was over to fight Pac (thus giving Floyd a very legit excuse to back out if he wanted to use it, but he didn't) and he still said ok. Then they said they accepted testing issues, but really didn't... Who is being unreasonable here? Pacman is not scared, Floyd is not scared... Bob Arum's wallet is scared. He would lose his most compensating fighter to retirement and have to continue to hear Floyd's big mouth for years!!! Its all bullsh*t. Bob has probably told Pacman, "Stick around kid, we can get you some big paydays and extra belts on your way out, and you won't even break a sweat while breaking "records".. Pacman's fights are more about making Bob money rather than presenting Pacman any real challenges... If Shane happens to land the right hook and explode Pacman, then what'll they say about Floyd next. I know, they'll say he is afraid of Berto, Martinez, Alvarez, Khan or a rematch with Shane.. People will say Floyd hasn't fought ANYONE.. Look it up, his numbers don't lie... 41-0 (18-0 in title fights having faced a total of 15 champions). Pacman is 52-3-2 (14-1-2 in title fights having faced only 12 champs). That means only 21% of Pac's opponents have been former champs while 36% of Floyd's fights have been against champs, and Pac has fought more fights. Floyd has fought more champions than ANY other current boxer, except Hopkins. Men lie, women lie.... number's don't. I'm paying attention, are you?

cause flomos are hypocrites and they're hypocrisy always get exposed. Is Manny also in the check cashing buisness? Floyd tells you up front, so why you mad? You can't compare the 2, Floyd fights for money, Manny fights for??????? Pride? His people? God? His family? Nope, it's always been for the money.. Sorry to break it to you lil guy, but you're guy friend is spinnin you for a loop... But Daddy still loves your lil bitter azz..

cause flomos are hypocrites and they're hypocrisy always get exposed. Funny thing is lately Pac has been following in Floyd footsteps.

For the Pactards that always down Floyd,,,Why is it that they always make comparisons to Floyd? Its like they NEED Floyd as a measuring stick to all Pac does or does not do:thumbsdow cause flomos are hypocrites and they're hypocrisy always get exposed.

Fighting Mosley will do nothing to Pac, and nothing to Mosley in temrs of boxing, because on money they have a lot to win. It will be sad looking at Mosley getting destroyed, and Pac will have no recognition on doing it. I think fighting Berto would be much better than fighting Mosley. We all know Berto is on the rise, Mosley is downhills a long time ago. I still think Berto is on a different league than Pac, but still is a very good fighter and is a solid win. At least a much better win than Mosley right now. Just hope Pac doesn´t kill Mosley!!

A better question would be: what's better? Getting robbed of $60 or nothin at all? Exactly,or just make mine Bradley-Alexander on regular hbo!!

A better question would be: what's better? Getting robbed of $60 or nothin at all?

well???? what is it? atleast somebody is fighting someone who is top of his division, unlike the other so called goat :lol1: For the Pactards that always down Floyd,,,Why is it that they always make comparisons to Floyd? Its like they NEED Floyd as a measuring stick to all Pac does or does not do:thumbsdow

Read the above, you're now my son.. Well doesn't PPV shows who a star of the sport is? No he is not, nobody is disputing that but Pac is. Matter of fact name all the household names that somebody like Gary Shaw has? But, then that fighter would be piggybacking of Arum's work with Pac. Did Arum have to piggyback any other promoters work to make Pac a star? Again why can't other promoters make stars? Alexander is not a star but he has fought in front of a crowd of 10,000. Now name all the fighters that Dibella, Shaw, and every promoter not named TR or GBP that has fougth of a crows that big? Look what up exactly? You should go look at Eaner post. Is pretty interesting. So you think you're owning this conversation? :lol1:

No matter he was star...What fight holds the record of most PPV sold under 135? Berto is not even a boxing star... No Pac, a star that Arum developed...When will another promoter not Arum nor GBP develop a star? King and Arum can do business. So exactly the other promoters to develop stars? LOL @ robbing off his fighters, how old are you? I wish you would stop and leave this thread. You're too stupid to talk boxing with. king of the pac fans? ahahahhaa disgrace to the pactards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

No matter he was star...What fight holds the record of most PPV sold under 135? Ummmm, who's talking PPV? Berto is not even a boxing star... Oh yea, Clottey is a house hold name... GTFOH! No Pac, a star that Arum developed...When will another promoter not Arum nor GBP develop a star? When Manny fights them. King and Arum can do business. So exactly the other promoters to develop stars? What stars does king have? Devon? Cut it out LOL @ robbing off his fighters, how old are you? Do some research on why Floyd and Oscar left Top Rank... Matter o fact, do some research on uncle Bob first... I'm sure you'll find out a few things you did'nt know. How old am I?, been a fan since ABC Wide World Of Sports.. Look it up I wish you would stop and leave this thread. You're too stupid to talk boxing with. Read the above, you're now my son..

Havent we gone over this before, stop that :bsflag: No matter he was star...What fight holds the record of most PPV sold under 135? Berto is not even a boxing star... No Pac, a star that Arum developed...When will another promoter not Arum nor GBP develop a star? King and Arum can do business. So exactly the other promoters to develop stars? LOL @ robbing off his fighters, how old are you? I wish you would stop and leave this thread. You're too stupid to talk boxing with.

i agree,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Not true Pac was a star in the lower weights. Of course not what he is now but he was a star and an elite fighter. Again there is a reason why Oscar picked him, cuz of his popularity and cuz it was suppose to be a mismatch. Manny was a boxing star, not a mainstream star... Move on. Berto is not popular at all, he doesn't bring ratings or fans in the stadium. Dibella is not doing his job properly with him. Look at how Shaw promotes his fighters. How is he doing. And Clottey had the stands packed in Cowboys staduim..... Look at Alexander on the hand, last fight he put what 10,000 people on the seats? But, who is his promoter? Don King and he is not even as active as he once but if he was he could turn Alexander to a star. Why can't other promoters get their fighters that type of fan base? King and Arum can do biz, are you up on the times? The way a fighter gets any shine these days is to fight the guy that's in the light and beat him..Notice I say these days... Because, they're not willing to do their job, they're not willing to go to their pockets and get advertisements, spend money on commercials, billboards, etc etc...They want everything handed to them. If they don't get a TV date their fighters sit on the sidelines. Stop it with that bullshyt Say what you want about Arum. But, he has no problem going in his own pocket for his fighters. If he can not get a TV he will spend his own money and do an independent PPV. Yes PPV's are crap but it keeps his fighters out there in the public eye. While other promoters will just sit around and wait for HBO to let them in. I'll give Bob that, he will spend that loot. But Bob is a dirty man, Bob pimps and uses the race card to sell fights (Pinoy Power?). The money Bob puts up, believe me he makes it back off robbing his fighters. The exposure is bigger than the checks I can tell you. Promoters need to start doing their job. And, if they have to go in their pocket to make stuff happen then do it. Havent we gone over this before, stop that :bsflag:

JMM has already said he'd fight manny at WW, And? JMM can come in at whatever weight he feels good at..If it's 135/142 then the fight is on. At 140 or above the fight is garbage Do you watch highlites or do you watch the whole fight? Seems like alot of guys on here do that, intead of really watching boxing as a sport they love. You're too stupid to talk boxing with.

Did I? Or did I say it could be entertaining cuz of styles? That is 2 different things. Floyd-Gatti=entertaining, Floyd-Gatti does not = competitive. The best fighting the best is not always for entertainment, it's supposed to be about the best man winning. You comparing Floyd (The guy who tells you he only fights for money, the guy who tells you we're not fighting to see who's the best) to Manny (I fight for pride, I fight for the people, I fight for legacy)? That's just some reaching type shyt, trying to justify this bullshyt move. How can you be mad at a man that tells you what he's about? I'd rather take a second look at the guy telling me or trying to convince me he's what they say he is. But choosing Mosley..... When did I ever say Marg had a chance against Pac? I said it was a BS fight could be entertaining and who knows maybe FOTY candidate maybe ala Soto-Antillon. There you go with that cartoon MMA shyt. i guess you find chess boring but checkers the best game ever.... At this stage of both careers at 140 they're just worlds apart. It will not be competitive and it will be a BS fight. I gave Pac a pass for his 2010 year cuz of his strong 08 and 09 campaign. However, he can't have 2 years in a row like this. After Mosley JMM III could very well be taking place at 140 or above. And, y'all dumb mofos could be happy when that garbage fight takes place at 140 or above. Manny can't make 140, lean mass won't allow it.. He'd have to burn muscle to get there, then he's no better than the zombies he's been facing. If Pac fights at 147 give me Berto.... Manny chose Mosley If Pac fights at 135 give me Bradley...Manny chose Mosley Those are the only 2 options everything else is a waste time. So why are you defending this shyt fight? The only way a JMM fight is acceptable is if it is at 135 but since that will never happen is time move on. JMM has already said he'd fight manny at WW, JMM can come in at whatever weight he feels good at.. If it's 135/142 then the fight is on. Do you watch highlites or do you watch the whole fight? Seems like alot of guys on here do that, intead of really watching boxing as a sport they love.

I agree ... It's better than nothing ....

No need to go back dude, I know whats going on. I'm not even talking pre fight, I'm taking post fight media hype. Manny was a star only to pinoys and hardcore fans, he was not a mainstream star till after Oscar. As far as promoters doing their jobs, I agree... But it's kinda hard to compete when Bob got the hot ticket, but won't see if he can beat a non Top Rank hot ticket. Boxing is all about what's popping NOW, but if you hoard or protect your guy from being beat then that makes it even harder. Boxing has a lot of stars, but the media hype is on Manny. And Bob plans to keep it that way for as long as he can. Not true Pac was a star in the lower weights. Of course not what he is now but he was a star and an elite fighter. Again there is a reason why Oscar picked him, cuz of his popularity and cuz it was suppose to be a mismatch. Berto is not popular at all, he doesn't bring ratings or fans in the stadium. Dibella is not doing his job properly with him. Look at how Shaw promotes his fighters. How is he doing. Look at Alexander on the hand, last fight he put what 10,000 people on the seats? But, who is his promoter? Don King and he is not even as active as he once but if he was he could turn Alexander to a star. Why can't other promoters get their fighters that type of fan base? Because, they're not willing to do their job, they're not willing to go to their pockets and get advertisements, spend money on commercials, billboards, etc etc...They want everything handed to them. If they don't get a TV date their fighters sit on the sidelines. Say what you want about Arum. But, he has no problem going in his own pocket for his fighters. If he can not get a TV he will spend his own money and do an independent PPV. Yes PPV's are crap but it keeps his fighters out there in the public eye. While other promoters will just sit around and wait for HBO to let them in. Promoters need to start doing their job. And, if they have to go in their pocket to make stuff happen then do it.