I've had espn on for the past few hours and every reporter has destroyed the very idea of this match happening. Jim Rome just got in Bob Arum's ass and Top Rank, "If anybody is gonna watch Espn after the fight to get my take on what happen I wont have one, because im not gonna watch this fight and neither well any of you". Even Heavy D aka Dan Rafeal has been non-stop going at the neck of Bob and Pac. Top Rank will soon find out that this fight is a joke and a bad idea.
this "revolt" just makes the fight more interesting... the more people talk, the more people become curious... same reaction from the "hardcore" fans before the margarito fight, but we all now how that ended in terms of live gate and PPV... fight will go on, and those who choose to watch, will be in for another entertaining fight... Yahoo Sports' Kevin Lole says this fight is "Pure Garbage".. but i bet he will cover this fight from ringside and will do a round by round update... talk is cheap, but the live gate and PPV numbers won't lie that this garbage of a fight will sell....
Sadly they will fool quite a few people with the marketing and 24/7. They will obviously be talking about how Mosley destroyed Marg better than Pacman. And then they will go with the Pac v African American fighter bs. And many people will eat that up..........
is this sarcasm?..people think Shane is no longer Shane based off his last performance..youre only as good as your last performance..who the hell ever listens to Roach and Arum, so I dont know what makes you think opinions are based on that.
If the live threat that fought Mora steps into the ring with Pac(which will be the case)..he is NO live threat!..
and Top Rank never down played that fight when May/Mosley was made..they said Shane was a threat to his record and has a shot at winning..so I dont know what youre talking about on that point...
simply put if Mosley would have had different performances in his last fights, instead of looking lack-luster..Pac would not be fighting him now..
don't make it seem like Manny Pacquiao would duck Shane or any other fighter, also yes Freddie Roach was saying Shane wasn't the same anymore and that he thought Mayweather would win and others was saying that Floyd waited too late to finally accept the fight, people were talking about his inactivity and age so don't sit there and tell me different
also do you even know who Sergio Mora is? you might write off fighters like nothing but I don't, they ALL get up to train at least a little bit and put in the work. Sergio Mora is a good fighter, he boxed Vernon Forrest's(R.I.P) socks off and even though he lost to Vernon in the rematch beating Vernon was something Shane couldn't do, Mora is a nightmare style wise for Mosley because he's a slick Boxer type built to last rounds, he's much bigger than Shane naturally and Shane had to pack on more weight for that fight, Mora has a decent jab among many other good features
Sergio Mora is not a bum and bottom line is Shane didn't lose that fight, he took a stay busy fight against a tough fighter and got a draw, he didn't even have to face Sergio Mora he could have fought a journeyman but he chose to fight a fresh and game fighter who came to win, people don't see that. there is absolutely ZERO shame in Shane's last fight and the fight before because taking body shots from Floyd will make you think twice about releasing your hands and fighting a guy who can absorb the power of a Middleweight, who is bigger naturally by at least 20-25lbs and has a full tank all 12 rounds and who also got a decision over the man who rocked the **** out of Shane, there are valid reasons for those outing but what about before when he KO'ed Margarito? KO'ed Mayorga(Mosley was a Middleweight!)? KO'ed Vargas? Shane been a live dog for some time now and that dog still has a fight left in him, y'all seriously better not sleep on Shane Mosley, Margarito took him lightly when he faced him and look what happened, Floyd took him serious and still got his melon rocked, Shane is not a walk in the park for nobody, he wasn't for Floyd, he wasn't for Mora and he wont be for Manny neither
Yea they just crapped on it again on espn. Said the only thing that MMA has over boxing is that they give fans the fights they wont, they asked why cant boxing do the same. Also that in this technology age of people getting what they wont immediately boxing wont survive.
who said that?
Top Rank needs to go away
I thought Don King was bad for boxing hell he looks legit compared to Bob Arum. why in the world would he expect anyone to pay for this crap? If Pac-Man doesn't fight a decent challenger then why fight at all? Shane Mosley is done period he is not a top ten fighter anywhere who wants to see Shane fight anyone? Bottom line is Top Rank is ruining the Boxing world one fight at a time Bob is old and he wants to grab all the money he can but hey Bob you can't take it with you unless your going to fill your pockets full of cash when they lay you to rest six feet under. Is the general public as pissed off as I am? I buy every fight but not this one I would rather watch fish swim or birds fly before I pay for this crap. Las Vegas is in for a big let down they will not make any money with that card.
JMM needs to take a fight at 140 before he can talk about fighting Pacquiao anywhere near those weights...
As for Mosley, he needs to have another good performance to prove he still has some gas in the tank before being put in with a killer like Pacquiao. He got schooled by Mayweather before that lacklustre fight with Mora and now moves onto Pacquiao? what sense does that make?!
Berto is a decent option for Pacquiao to take. It gives him an opponent that is fresh and hungry and I don't doubt Pacquiao would beat Berto, but its a fighter who isn't somebody's "leftovers" and adds the WBC strap to his collection. I honestly can't believe its been 2 years of will it/wont it with regards to Mayweather v Pacquiao...the fight will be such an anti-climax now if it does happen.
the only problem with those fighters everyone mentioned....
is that they're not Top Rank stablemates. Arum is making a mockery of the sport keeping his prized possession to himself. He's pissing on every single boxing fan in the world, every boxer, every promoter, and pretty much saying a nice big F*CK YOU to us all.
I think Manny stays quiet as long as the millions come in. and they're POURING in. I certainly can't blame him for that.
Arum will simply not do business unless it's with himself. Mosley left GBP, and suddenly he's Manny's next fight. If JMM leaves GBP, I wouldn't be surprised if the contract was made the day after he did so.
Arum is flexing his muscles. nothing more, nothing less. Manny shuts his mouth and collects double digit millions...fight after fight after fight.
do share how this fight is a money fight?
what numbers/outcome are you predicting?
It won't do anymore than a fight with JMM would do IMO. I think they are trying to shake the tag that they avoid African American fighters.........which isn't really what Nard and others have said. What he really said was that they are avoiding slick fighting styles which are generally synonymous with African American fighters.
Shane's black. Not slick. Especially now.....in his younger days he was more slick, now he is a puncher.
It would have been huge if Manny waited for the outcome of Bradley/Alexander and faced the winner at 147. Berto at 147 would be better too.....and honestly sellable. Though peeople don't know Berto he is a sellable commodity. He is young, good looking (objectively speaking), undefeated and he get's explosive KO's. He is also reasonably well spoken and i'm sure they could find alot of interesting things to do on 24/7 re Berto. They could highlight the tragedy in Haiti etc etc.
JMM. Well we have a back story already there, and Juan has been fanning the flames with antics such as that shirt and talking negatively about MP at every opportunity.
So many better options than Shane out there.
since when is fighting Shane Mosley a bad thing? people need to stop with their shit man seriously, Shane is still Shane, he's still a live threat and a full fight, people need to back off Manny Pacquiao. you guys KNOW if Manny did something questionable I'd be first in line to say it but what is he doing wrong here? this fight means nothing because others around him have downplayed Shane in the past? all I ever hear is "Roach and Arum said he was shot", who gives a fuck what those two geezers say?
It's Manny who is in the fight, it's Manny who's getting punched so what they say means absolutely nothing, in fact I'm sure they just said that because they knew Shane was fighting Floyd and they wanted to down play that fight to make Floyd look bad, just like how according to Arum Floyd is "The greatest Boxer ever" while he's bringing some dollars in to Top Rank but once he leaves it's Manny who "is the greatest", all of those guys are full of shit and Manny doesn't deserve this back lash, he is going to have a fight on his hands come fight night with Shane
is this sarcasm?..people think Shane is no longer Shane based off his last performance..youre only as good as your last performance..who the hell ever listens to Roach and Arum, so I dont know what makes you think opinions are based on that.
If the live threat that fought Mora steps into the ring with Pac(which will be the case)..he is NO live threat!..
and Top Rank never down played that fight when May/Mosley was made..they said Shane was a threat to his record and has a shot at winning..so I dont know what youre talking about on that point...
simply put if Mosley would have had different performances in his last fights, instead of looking lack-luster..Pac would not be fighting him now..
i like Shane...i dont wanna see him take that kind of beating
purely a money fight...i understand the business aspect but bullsh1t is bullsh1t
i'd rather see a DLH rematch
do share how this fight is a money fight?
what numbers/outcome are you predicting?
Or severely underestimating Manny's ability to draw...
Nope. Floyd is the biggest draw in the sport and he only did 1.4 million in a figth that GBP promoted very very well.
It will do under one million at the PPV......remember this.
I predicted good numbers for Marg va vs Manny. I said 1.2 - 1.5.
This is different......it will struggle to hit the million mark.
if pac fights berto,
people will say berto fought only bums,wasnt ready for pac.
if pac fought marquez,
they would say marquez lost because of the weight,age.
if he fights mosley
,hes fightin a guy tht lost and drew his last 2 fights,looked bad vs a style he doesnt deal well with,looks older and not so good anymore.
if he fights any light welter,
theyle say he fought a nobody who never beat any good welterweight,and the light welter wasnt as good at welterweight.
if he fights williams
they say he just got knocked out and ruined,he was beatin up on sloppy seconds.
if he fights alverez
they say hes just a kid with no experience who is slow.
if he fights martinez,
it would need to be another "light middleweight catchweight" if he wins,they will say pac drained martinez,tht guy was a more natural middleweight.
if he fights anyone else,the fight isnt big,doesnt sell aswell.
pac cant fight anyone without getting hate. its floyd fault pac isnt able to fight floyd.
at the moment the only fight that could get made money wise for contract talks and weight wise was mosley.
its a better fight than what people think.
dont judge a guy on 2 fights and ignore the rest of his career.
pac is not slick like floyd or mora is,although his movement will still cause shane problems.
be lucky pac is still fighting,and on a regular basis.QUOTE]
be lucky?that makes no sense but i know what you mean but why should i care when there are a bunch of other boxers besides manny that are not fighting opponents that no one wants to see them fight besides his die hard manny fans