Has their ever been a WW era as weak as today's WW division?

2 of the most respectable rankings out there. The Ring ratings. Champion: vacant 1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3. Andre Berto 4. Miguel Cotto 5. Shane Mosley 6. Joshua Clottey 7. Jan Zaveck 8. Vyacheslav Senchenko 9. Rafal Jackiewicz 10. Timothy Bradley Look at this rankings? When was the last time how long has it been since Cotto, Mosley, and Clottey won a fight at WW? Yet they're 4, 5, and 6. Bradley has one win against a none ranked opponent at WW and he is #10? And, probably deserving cuz who else would you put in that spot that is how weak this division is. BoxingScene rankings. World Welterweight champion: Floyd Maywather 1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Andre Berto 3. Shane Mosley 4. Joshua Clottey 5. Vyacheslav Senchenko 6. Jan Zaveck 7. Selcuk Aydin 8. Ionut Dan 9. Said Oual 10. Rafal Jackiewicz Mosley and Clottey top 5 but when was the last time they won a fight at WW? But, then again they're probably to deserve top 5 just cuz that is how weak this WW era is. Berto is a legit top 3 WW and how is that possible. It really is Floyd and Pac by miles and miles ahead of everybody else. I don't think there ever has been a WW division this weak before...Seriously the HW division right now as weak as that division is...Arguably it is better than the WW division. The 2nd tier WWs of the 90's would be elite WWs today.

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minasyan

118 - this is a great division Fernando Montiel Nonito Donaire Joseph Agbeko Vic Darchinyan Abner Mares Anselmo Moreno Yonnhy Perez

15y ago

mrpain81

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_Welterweight--2000s 2004: Cory Spinks, Champion Antonio Margarito Zab Judah Thomas Damgaard Michele Piccirillo Manuel Gomez Kermit Cintron Jawaid Khaliq Carlos Manuel Baldomir Teddy Reid Cosme Rivera This year was also pretty weak. 1977: Carlos Palomino, Champion 1. Pipino Cuevas 2. Pete Ranzany 3. Randy Shields 4. Harold Weston 5. Floyd Mayweather 6. Armando Muniz 7. Clyde Gray 8. Jose Palacios 9. Everaldo Costa Azevedo 10. Bruce Curry

15y ago

paulf

This is how boxing works man. Divisions heat up like crazy, then they cool off for a few years. WW was loaded a couple years ago with Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Judah, Berto, Clottey. Guys get losses, guys move up or back down in weight, guys retire, and the division becomes a ghost town. I mean, look at 140 three years ago. It was ****. You had Malignaggi - IBF Witter - WBA Gavin Rees - WBA (WHO?) Ricardo Torres - WBO Ricky Hatton Hlatshwayo Lovemore Ndou Dimetreus Hopkins (lol) Randall Baily Herman Ngoudjo ect Now it's PACKED with talent. Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Ortiz, Kotelnik, Lamont Peterson, Marcos Maidana, with Judah and Morales making comebacks at 140 and Marquez able to come over to 140 any time. And by this time next year it will probably be close to empty.

15y ago

pbftxrs316

it's really just a huge lap in competition--it's manny and floyd vs everybody else--and the competition is not really there---that's why when they meet up---the fight will be so big---

15y ago

pbftxrs316

Floyd is a fukcing joke. He should never be ranked number 1 at welterweight when he ducked all of the top welterweights. All my points to whoever rids the earth of Floyd Mayweather.shows how much you know dumby--he just dominated and beat the undisputed ww champion--and he would be the 2 time undisputed ww champion had he paid sanctioning fees for the mosley fight--and you would still find something to b1tch about-lol--- oh yeah, and he beat the champ at 147, not 145--remember that--now that fighter he just dominated is about to fight manny----now what?

15y ago

BennyST

15y ago

BennyST

Just about every division is weak. There isn't really a GREAT division right now. Some are better than others, but none of the divisions seem to be loaded. For a while 168 was looking good, but too many of those guys looked terrible in the super six. Taylor was shot. Abraham has been miserable. Suddenly old-man Johnson is back and looking fierce in that division. Fighters are able to jump divisions and cherry pick titles because there isn't a lot of great competition. 147 is terrible but as this says, most divisions are poor atm. There are a couple of great ones like 115, 118, 126 is good and 140 of course. 168 is probably about as good as it's ever been in its short history, not great though by any stretch. It's all the smaller divisions that are the best now. The great divisions historically are terrible right now. Lightweight, Welterweight and Middleweight are the best historically and they are some of the poorest.

15y ago

strongisland24

I don't feel it is a weak division. Floyd and Manny are both up there with the all time greats IMO

15y ago

Seleo_No_13

To be fair, the top dogs a few years back (Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, and even Clottey) beat each other up already.

15y ago

BoxingTech718

The problem is nobody is investing proper time and training in young fighters anymore. I know none of the young boys I know want to be a boxing champ they all want to be Lebron, or Adrian Peterson. The ones that are interested in fighting want to do the UFC. What made boxing great is what's hurting it now. Boxing needs one governing body, one commission, and one belt for every weight class. One recognizable name like the NBA, NFL, MLB, or UFC. Professional boxing needs a revolution and the shysters and money men like ODLH, Arum, and King are only going to stand in the way.

15y ago

Elotero

the division is being cleaned out by a former flyweight Yea the whole speed and mobility thing just doesn't impress against flatfooted fighters. Its not groundbreaking and its actually kind of expected. Same with Nonito beating up midgets and all his filifanboys start calling him the GOAT.

15y ago

NChristo5450

To me the WW division and MW division has had the arguably the greatest fighter throughout history. You can throw in LW and BW when you do an all time great rankings through division. And, I just can't never remember the WW division being this weak...Is there a time when the WW division was this weak? Would have to nit pick at certain years, the late 70s (75-77) weren't all that good really, Napoles just retired and the top Welters of that era were at their end and clearly weren't what they used to be, I really like Carlos Palomino but his reign was very weak and some of his defenses were against just awful opponents.

15y ago

Thread_Stealer

15y ago

jrosales13

the division is being cleaned out by a former flyweight Bro, imagine if Floyd and Pac retired today... Berto would be the top dawg :nonono:

15y ago

jrosales13

Don't even need to go back to the 90s, just go back a few years. This era really is horrible. To me the WW division and MW division has had the arguably the greatest fighter throughout history. You can throw in LW and BW when you do an all time great rankings through division. And, I just can't never remember the WW division being this weak...Is there a time when the WW division was this weak?

15y ago

project_xxx1

its ok but the top 2 guys are on a different level to everyone else floyd and manny are too good for the others,so it seems week

15y ago

NChristo5450

Don't even need to go back to the 90s, just go back a few years. This era really is horrible.

15y ago

Hotsoup

It was very hot a couple years ago, now it has cooled off. It will take some time before it becomes hot again. I remember lightweight was hot a couple years ago when casamayor,juan diaz,nate campbell,pac and marquez were fighting.now all those guys have been beaten a bunch of times or have moved up. That's what happens.

15y ago

ubr

15y ago

jrosales13

Just about every division is weak. There isn't really a GREAT division right now. Some are better than others, but none of the divisions seem to be loaded. For a while 168 was looking good, but too many of those guys looked terrible in the super six. Taylor was shot. Abraham has been miserable. Suddenly old-man Johnson is back and looking fierce in that division. Fighters are able to jump divisions and cherry pick titles because there isn't a lot of great competition. Bantamweight is loaded. Is damn near a great division. 140 is really not bad. 168 with Forch, Ward, Bute, and Dirrell is healthy division. 126 nor 122 is bad. WW is pretty weak like never before...You could always count on WW to be a good somewhat deep division. Is none of that right now.

15y ago