Mares has regressed badly as a fighter since leaving Beristain

He lost against Perez but got a gift, and he clearly lost last night and should've been dq'd for all the low blows. Its not bias, its just fact. your too funny. :)

mares needs to move up weight. no one should take you seriously ever again......mares is small as hell.....and very weak physically even at 118.....the moment he meets a good punch blocker, all those arm punches are gonna get him countered to death.... and he was the same with nacho...he used footwork and waist movement like all nacho fighters....but his combinations were VERY sloppy and forced compared to the marquez style...not to mention weak mares has great guts though, and he does have some fighting instincts and good handspeed...i think joel diaz was a good trainer for him...he looked better in his tune up before perez and vs perez.......

no..he's always been just an overrated guy who's best win was a gift!

i thought mares outworked vic. c'mon man, if nacho was still with mares, mares wouldn't be in the tourney I share that same opinion. Nacho is a shit manager.

He lost against Perez but got a gift, and he clearly lost last night and should've been dq'd for all the low blows. Its not bias, its just fact. How do you have 7000 posts and are still this retarded? Way to counter my point of why his technique looked shoddy by...failing to come up with an answer? Oh that's right your useless OPINION...not fact...can't be changed. Because you are a monkey. I actually bet on Perez that night and was glad he got the draw though I could've seen it either way. If anything, I thought Mares won it 115-113 but as any 115-113 scores go, it's not gonna be a 'JUST FACT' robbery either way. Most of press row also had Mares slightly ahead with the idea that a draw was justified.

I actually agree that his technique has regressed a bit, but in no way is it as significant as you make it out to be. Way to start a thread that was obviously horrendously biased to begin with (lost his last two fights? yea man?) instantly ready to only stick to your dumbass argument without really listening to counter points. And no just reading doesn't count. Reading comprehension is pretty key. Darch has a really awkward herky jerky southpaw style. Darch showed he wasn't quite over the hill yet. Mares does well as a boxer/puncher from a little bit of range. But Mares got a little criticism for not pressing the issue enough from the Perez fight (something he noted in post fight interviews) so naturally he was going to be mindful of pressing forward. Mares was docked a point for a low blow...AFTER a knockdown....AFTER a severe cut in the FIRST round. A cut that was making blood clearly run into his eye even though they claimed that it wasn't. Of course he had to come out of his natural fight technique/plan after all that. None of this matters right? You just itched to come here to claim his technique's the day after he shows himself to be sloppy in a fight he almost needed to make sloppy (a war). Nice hindsight yo. He lost against Perez but got a gift, and he clearly lost last night and should've been dq'd for all the low blows. Its not bias, its just fact.

You're really insulting Rafa here man. Mares wouldn't even last 5 rounds with him. Welcome to my ignore list. :dead1: I actually agree that his technique has regressed a bit, but in no way is it as significant as you make it out to be. Way to start a thread that was obviously horrendously biased to begin with (lost his last two fights? yea man?) instantly ready to only stick to your dumbass argument without really listening to counter points. And no just reading doesn't count. Reading comprehension is pretty key. Darch has a really awkward herky jerky southpaw style. Darch showed he wasn't quite over the hill yet. Mares does well as a boxer/puncher from a little bit of range. But Mares got a little criticism for not pressing the issue enough from the Perez fight (something he noted in post fight interviews) so naturally he was going to be mindful of pressing forward. Mares was docked a point for a low blow...AFTER a knockdown....AFTER a severe cut in the FIRST round. A cut that was making blood clearly run into his eye even though they claimed that it wasn't. Of course he had to come out of his natural fight technique/plan after all that. None of this matters right? You just itched to come here to claim his technique's the day after he shows himself to be sloppy in a fight he almost needed to make sloppy (a war). Nice hindsight yo.

Now he looks like an average poor man's version of Israel Vazquez. A slow plodder that does everything average, has no real speed and power to speak of. He's already lost twice and he will lose again. i thought mares outworked vic. c'mon man, if nacho was still with mares, mares wouldn't be in the tourney

You have to remember though, Rafa was a late bloomer and at 25 had gotten stopped thrice. At 25, he had just gotten stopped by Genaro Garcia (BS stoppage though, he got up at 9). Watch the Gabi fight where he was trained by Nacho, he still got hit plenty. The problem is he tries to block, then counter. That might've worked in the AMs, but in the pros you have to be very fast to do that on a fresh opponent. Windows close in a split second at the top level. If he's going to block and counter, he'll have to do it simultaneously or just throw the blocking out of the window and just counter. Rafa knocks out everyone in this tournament, Mares is the toughest fight though, it'd be a good one, kid is a solid fighter. What didn't go wrong for him early in that fight? And he still out-bullied the bully. That said, if he was on the level of the Marquez' he'd have gotten pissed and stopped him. You're really insulting Rafa here man. Mares wouldn't even last 5 rounds with him. Welcome to my ignore list. :dead1:

I kind of agree. Before Mares hit the big scene I thought he was can't miss but he is struggling. Yeah, he is fighting what seems to be the best but he isn't blowing any of those guys out. No one at the division is head and shoulders above the rest and not so long ago I thought Mares was on his way to being that. Bantamweight is the best division in boxing. Your opinion is shared by many, but this is why I'm starting to think that I can't blame fighters for avoiding other fighters. Even though you acknowledge his opposition being the best, you still expect him to blow them out too. If some of your favorite fighters would've fought the best at the age and with the experience Mares has now in a deep division, they probably wouldn't have been looking as impressive as they did. Malignaggi, Corley, and Torres are the best fighters young Cotto faced at 140, he didn't blow any of them out. Imagine if Cotto had to face Mayweather, Tszyu, Hatton, or Mitchell, he wouldn't be blowing out any of them either.

Rafa would spark Mares easily in his prime at 118. Its too bad they didn't have this tourney back then cuz' Rafa would've knocked everyone out. You have to remember though, Rafa was a late bloomer and at 25 had gotten stopped thrice. At 25, he had just gotten stopped by Genaro Garcia (BS stoppage though, he got up at 9). Watch the Gabi fight where he was trained by Nacho, he still got hit plenty. The problem is he tries to block, then counter. That might've worked in the AMs, but in the pros you have to be very fast to do that on a fresh opponent. Windows close in a split second at the top level. If he's going to block and counter, he'll have to do it simultaneously or just throw the blocking out of the window and just counter. Rafa knocks out everyone in this tournament, Mares is the toughest fight though, it'd be a good one, kid is a solid fighter. What didn't go wrong for him early in that fight? And he still out-bullied the bully. That said, if he was on the level of the Marquez' he'd have gotten pissed and stopped him.

Did you notice how the straight from Vic went as smooth like pacquiaos to jml, that stance that Berinstain enforces works very well for righties but not for lefties it shows..... just an interesting fact In other thoughts I still think Mares is bad ass but yeah he needs to go back to Berinstain......... :boxing::boxing::boxing:

Mares is the same fighter, just different tactics. He has good hand speed, but his foot speed and reflexes are average for a fighter the level and style of a Darchinyan that avoids inside fighting and stays out of range until he punches. Som of you mothafukas act like Mares is facing Bernabe Concepcion's and not a dominant 2 divsion champ. Now I can see why fighters sometimes avoid threats. Rafa would spark Mares easily in his prime at 118. Its too bad they didn't have this tourney back then cuz' Rafa would've knocked everyone out.

My only issue with Mares is that he takes a lot of unnecessary punishment, which is a product of his stubbornness at times.

Mares is the same fighter, just different tactics. He has good hand speed, but his foot speed and reflexes are average for a fighter the level and style of a Darchinyan that avoids inside fighting and stays out of range until he punches. Som of you mothafukas act like Mares is facing Bernabe Concepcion's and not a dominant 2 divsion champ. Now I can see why fighters sometimes avoid threats.

Vic has skills, but people don't give him no credit. Of course he does, you just not going to beat the guys that he beat after Donaire without skills. He relies more on his size, strength, and power though. But, look at the Mijares fight. Even though Mijares didn't fight his fight the credit should be giving to Vic for making Mijares fight a different way than what he is use to. Vic has underrated skills but people don't give him credit for hit but people don't give him credit for it cuz he is not fundamentally sound or not textbook enough or is awkward or blah blah..He has skills. Saying all that I think Yonnhy Perez beats him in the consolation fight.

I thought he won last night but I thought it was close that it could of gone either way. If anybody had Vic winning I won't argue. But, I do agree his technical form has suffered since leaving Nacho. His fight with Agbeko will be very interesting. Not a gimme like everybody think it is. Vic has skills, but people don't give him no credit.

His last fights have been against top fighters,whats the problem? He is regressing as a fighter. He used to be a lot classier, now he just looks average. Whoever is training him is not doing him any favors.

mares needs to move up weight.

I thought he won last night but I thought it was close that it could of gone either way. If anybody had Vic winning I won't argue. But, I do agree his technical form has suffered since leaving Nacho. His fight with Agbeko will be very interesting. Not a gimme like everybody think it is.