Top 5 most over rated fighters in the sport

Most overrated: 1. Floyd Mayweather 2. Andre Ward 3. Andre Berto 4. Yuriorkis Gamboa 5. Guillermo Rigonderoux Dawson, Caballero and Williams were also overrated, but not any more. Haye is overrated by some people in the UK, but not in the US or elsewhere. Wow, all brothers... 4 and 5 are dark skinned Hispanics so that makes them black right... LOL

just for the hell of it... 1. Manny Pacquiao (Arum's best project of all time ; still brutal and exciting to watch though) 2. Floyd Mayweather (his "0" doesn't mean sh!t ; dude just know how to sell ; better to watch national geographic than watching his fights) 3. Sergio Martinez (after drunk pavlik and that 1 punch? seriously?) 4. David Haye (should be in women's division) 5. Celestino Caballero (juanma told you so) runner-up: Andre Ward (clinch baby clinch)

Raheem whoops Morales and Pacquiao fightts a shot Morales instead of Raheem:owned: go figure? These are the type of comments that make me laugh ... to make things funnier is that at the end of this comment he thinks he is so right that he needs to say the word "owned" Explain yourself, or your a lame. Here is my explanation: 1) Manny had just gone UP to 130lb from 125lb to fight EriK Morales. 2) Erik Morales won the first fight between them at 130lb 3) When they (Morales vs Pac) fought for the 2nd time Manny had only a 1-1 record at 130. 4) Manny wanted to revenge his loss by taking on Morales at 130lb. 5) Morales was winning the 2nd fight up to about the 6th round. Manny came back to win the fight. 6) Those were 2 excellent fights between them (Morales vs Pac). 7) So you think that Manny should have fought Raheem instead? First off, could you imagine what the Floyd haters like yourself would say if he did that? Does Marquez ring a bell? and with Marquez they fought twice and Manny didn't lose!!! Imagine not wanting to revenge Morales!!! You got some nerve bringing this up, buddy! 8) Again, I laugh that you thought Manny should not revenged the well-known Morales for lesser known, no money in it, Raheem. 9) The most obvious reason that Raheem didn't make sense is because Manny just went up to 130 from 125 and there were questions about 130 after the Morales loss. Yet you thought 135 made sense? 10) Raheem beat Morales at 135. Morales was not known for his 135 fights as he never won at 135. Actually it was his 1st fight at 135. So that was a factor as to why Morales lost. 11) Furthermore, Manny didn't move up to 135 until 2.5 years later from that 2nd fight with Morales. 12) More laughable is that Raheem lost his next fight after beating Morales and it was BEFORE the Morales vs Pac fight. 13) Once Manny made the move to 135, he faced a title holder at 135. Raheem was NOT a title holder. 14) While Manny went on to win the 135 title, at around the same time, Raheem went on to lose again. So to mention Raheem is ridiculous in so many ways. oh ya, :owned: .

AS far as I am concerned he gets 0 credit or points for his last 6 fights. None of those fight puts him in a convo for ATG status. Beating sub PAR opponents that are already damaged goods and weight drained does not increase your status. Hell it does not even take away from your status. But it does not improve your status in the sport. Pacquaio is in a holding pattern. He has been in that pattern since the JMM fights (which he lost both times). ARUM and ROACH has pacquaio away from anyone that has the ability to consistently hit him back. Seriously Pacquaio needs to put together a string of wins that includes A-level fighters in prime condition, proper weight and not coming of KO's or losses, then he will start to move up the ladder towards ATG status. he must first do the following in no specific order: 1.TAKE THE DAMN TESTS (just to clear that up. I'm not accusing him) 2.Fight JMM and win for God sake (he has lost to this dude twice) 3.Fight PBF and WIN (on the first try or the second try just get a win) 4.Fight and knock off a young gun either Bradley, Alexander or Berto 5.No more catch weight fights with dudes that are damaged and weight drained If he does this I will start including him in ATG convos. Cotto, Clottey, Margarito are top 5 Welterweights lol How are they not points. Win or Lose they were still Top Welterweights *maybe not Rito but he still is up there debating on how you see it* Hatton was the Lineal 140 Champ. LOL i just do not understand. Does he have to fight King King or Godzilla to get Respect. Marquez ducked him after the first fight for 4 ****IN years if you check you the history. He Rather fight Chris John for less money then Fight a rematch with Pac. He Ducked him after Pac fought Cotto. He now says it was because he had surgery but WHY DIDN'T HE SAY THAT **** THEN. He then said he would fight Pac at 147 if it has to be like that. BUT WTF is the hold up then? Pac beat him the 1st match. Only a Marquez Nut hugger thinks Marquez won when he surely didn't. Pac Spanked that ass in the first round. And controlled the later rounds. The 2nd fight was a close fight with the KNOCKDOWN being the difference. You cannot give Marquez more then 6 rounds. if you do then I dont know. I mean i think Barrera got robbed from Marquez but nobody brings that **** up.

I guess anybody could be a 8 division champ in 8 different divisions right? I would like to see that happen.

I agree with Pacquiao and Caballero. Bute is relatively unknown outside of hardcore boxing sites. Williams is rated where he's supposed to be. Donaire needs to step up and doesn't belong in the top 10 P4P list, but he should not be in a top 5 overrated list. Dawson lost to Pascal, so since he's overrated for losing to Pascal, then that makes Pascal a bum?

Both guys are very good, but I think the media over hypes them. It's not their fault. I guess anybody could be a 8 division champ in 8 different divisions right?

Do you hear the media comparing Berto to Hearns, do you hear the media comparing Floyd to SRR, nope, nice try. Are Hopkins and Berto even discussed by the media? How is me calling Pac over rated hating? I think Pac is a great fighter but he's not what people make him out to be. NSB is insignificant, you people take this site too seriously. so i reckon that you're not serious with your own thread either?

Pactards and Flomos butting heads again like imbeciles. How nice. :dance: You're all dumb. Just enjoy boxing and quit being stupid.

What do you guys think? i think youre an idiot. "peeleft:

I don't know how to PM. it's understandable. you're black. :lol1:

AS far as I am concerned he gets 0 credit or points for his last 6 fights. None of those fight puts him in a convo for ATG status. Beating sub PAR opponents that are already damaged goods and weight drained does not increase your status. Hell it does not even take away from your status. But it does not improve your status in the sport. Pacquaio is in a holding pattern. He has been in that pattern since the JMM fights (which he lost both times). ARUM and ROACH has pacquaio away from anyone that has the ability to consistently hit him back. Seriously Pacquaio needs to put together a string of wins that includes A-level fighters in prime condition, proper weight and not coming of KO's or losses, then he will start to move up the ladder towards ATG status. he must first do the following in no specific order: 1.TAKE THE DAMN TESTS (just to clear that up. I'm not accusing him) 2.Fight JMM and win for God sake (he has lost to this dude twice) 3.Fight PBF and WIN (on the first try or the second try just get a win) 4.Fight and knock off a young gun either Bradley, Alexander or Berto 5.No more catch weight fights with dudes that are damaged and weight drained If he does this I will start including him in ATG convos. :notworthy I agree with this post. But if I had to create my list of the sports most overrated fighters it would be: 1)Lucian Bute 2)Saul Alvarez 3)Tomasz Adamek- Though I think he is looking to be more and more the real deal every fight 4)Amir Khan 5)Andre Berto. Both Manny and Floyd are overrated in some ways but I'd definitely say Manny is more overrated.

Overhype and Overrated are two different things. Manny really do gets the most hype without a doubt, but he has proven himself to be one of the best of all time. AS far as I am concerned he gets 0 credit or points for his last 6 fights. None of those fight puts him in a convo for ATG status. Beating sub PAR opponents that are already damaged goods and weight drained does not increase your status. Hell it does not even take away from your status. But it does not improve your status in the sport. Pacquaio is in a holding pattern. He has been in that pattern since the JMM fights (which he lost both times). ARUM and ROACH has pacquaio away from anyone that has the ability to consistently hit him back. Seriously Pacquaio needs to put together a string of wins that includes A-level fighters in prime condition, proper weight and not coming of KO's or losses, then he will start to move up the ladder towards ATG status. he must first do the following in no specific order: 1.TAKE THE DAMN TESTS (just to clear that up. I'm not accusing him) 2.Fight JMM and win for God sake (he has lost to this dude twice) 3.Fight PBF and WIN (on the first try or the second try just get a win) 4.Fight and knock off a young gun either Bradley, Alexander or Berto 5.No more catch weight fights with dudes that are damaged and weight drained If he does this I will start including him in ATG convos.

I was kidding haha. Dude, you're so funny, do you consider Bert Sugar an expert, go see where he ranks Pacquiao on his all time list, please. Bert Sugar list is laughable don't you think? Even if you take Pac out of the equation he has Dempsey #9, Monzon not even in the top 50, and just plenty more questionable decisions. Now if you look at Mike Silver list, another one that is laughable doesn't even have Pac nor Floyd in the top 100 do you think he is underrating them? Which again goes back every fighter is overrated or underrated it all depends on who is doing the rating.

The Media considers Pacquiao better than Duran, Ali, Leonard, Hearns, hell to the media he's the best of all time. If that's not overhype then I don't know what is. Overhype and Overrated are two different things. Manny really do gets the most hype without a doubt, but he has proven himself to be one of the best of all time.

I agree with most of your post. I myself hadn't seen much of Cabellero (two full fights and only parts of others) before the Litzau debacle but anyways still never thought much of him. Which would warrant not putting him on an overrated list right there anyways. But more to the point, this retard puts him on with the reason that 'he just lost to someone he was supposed to beat,' after the fact. I'd say hindsight's a funny thing except it's not even hindsight. Really think about it and anyone with half a brain will get how ridiculous that is. The rest of his list is dead on and I don't have a problem with the order of the people on it. Cabellero was just not a pro that night, I really think or hope it was because he over looked Litzau. Overlooking looking Litzau was very dumb, he is primarily a slick fighter. You have to seriously train and be in shape to fight a slick fighter or you will look bad if you don't knock them out. I really think that's what happen to Cabellero. Cabellero may not be overrated but he is definitely over hyped.

It's not an opinion to disagree with you monkey. :lol1::lol1::lol1:

You have to admit that Celestino Caballero look like a unseasoned amateur in that fight. I think he belongs on that list not because he lost, But because of his general boxing skills he displayed in that fight. He literally looked like someone picked him out of the crowd and put boxing gloves on him. Now that may have been because he did not trained and lacked conditioning. Poor conditioning can and will effect you technique, but damn he looked NOT like a professional fighter. I agree with most of your post. I myself hadn't seen much of Cabellero (two full fights and only parts of others) before the Litzau debacle but anyways still never thought much of him. Which would warrant not putting him on an overrated list right there anyways. But more to the point, this retard puts him on with the reason that 'he just lost to someone he was supposed to beat,' after the fact. I'd say hindsight's a funny thing except it's not even hindsight. Really think about it and anyone with half a brain will get how ridiculous that is.

It's not an opinion to disagree with you monkey.

Best way to claim a boxer is overrated: Wait for him to lose, put him up on the list with the reason being "He just lost to someone he was supposed to beat." Am I right? You have to admit that Celestino Caballero look like a unseasoned amateur in that fight. I think he belongs on that list not because he lost, But because of his general boxing skills he displayed in that fight. He literally looked like someone picked him out of the crowd and put boxing gloves on him. Now that may have been because he did not trained and lacked conditioning. Poor conditioning can and will effect you technique, but damn he looked NOT like a professional fighter.