So is Pac an 8 division world champion or not?

dont you wish you could lend floyd your balls? :lol1: Regardless of how you look at it, Mayweather vs Pacquiao Is a bad day for Pacquiao.

Wont it be interesting when the 8 division champ Is dismantled by the 5 division champ? dont you wish you could lend floyd your balls? :lol1:

I think it's clear who is pathetic here. You. Didn't you once claim that the Cotto and Margarito fights were for the linear championship? Dumb ,Dumb, Dumb. Didn't you also say you were "embarrassed as an African Ameican man because of Hopkins? You: "What will massa think!" Drop the cheesing and soft shoe act. It's not cute. And quite frankly, you are more embarrassing to yourself than Hopkins ever will be. Never said any of that....but d@mn I love alts. Please be a real man and address me via your main account. With that said....as far as Hopkins, my take on him is this; He should never criticize Floyd by saying he is an embarassment to Black because he is no choir boy himself. B-hops argument is that Floyd has young black kids that look up to him....but guess what....so does b-hop. B-hop isn't an embarrassment to Blacks and neither is Floyd becuase contrary to what your racist/ignorant @ss believes.....one black person actions doesn't speak for all blacks.

I guess. Either way I didn't consider either the real champ at 147. And who are you anyway? do you think they (PAC, et al, fans) care about your opinion? LOL :nana:

Wont it be interesting when the 8 division champ Is dismantled by the 5 division champ?

He should of bought his belts here http://www.masisboxingbelts.com/wbc.htm

in terms of boxing history, say a hundred years from now the number 8 will always be there and pac`s name will be tossed around as one of the great boxers of all time. under the existing rules in boxing where you have multiple belts at each division you can technically be a champ at those weight classes and pac is surely entitled to it though still arguable.:boxing:

I said that u don't get the credit as a CHAMPION. U credit for the win. There doesn't even have to be a belt on the line at all for u to get the credit for the win. That's not what I was talkin about. But, I agree if we're talking about Pac 8th title. But, Whitaker does deserve credit as a legit title holder at 154 against a good champ at the time.

Titles are so worthless now. They're just that, a title, and since the sport is saturated in them, they don't mean as much as they did before.

Tua your a man I can respect. That said, Diaz was a joke at 135 but its a belt, he whipped Hattons ass no arguments, the cotto fight was bs catchweight, the clottey fight was gonna be pathetic just because it was clottey, and he definitely does not get a 154 title in my mind. you can legitimately argue 7 weight belt winner.

Pactards got seriously owned in this thread and I didn't even try... :lol1:

I don't know if I agree with that. Whitaker didn't win the lineal title at 154 and just won one of those useless ABC belts, but he beat a very good fighter and title holder and the much bigger strong guy. And, Whitaker won like 10 rounds against Julio Cesar Vazquez who was 53-1 and had wins over Castillejo, Marshall, and Winky. And, Pernell beat him decisively. Doesn't get the credit for the lineal title but he SHOULD get credit for beating a true good title holder in that division even though he never defended the title. However, that circumstances is different than Pac claim. I said that u don't get the credit as a CHAMPION. U credit for the win. There doesn't even have to be a belt on the line at all for u to get the credit for the win. That's not what I was talkin about.

I see Pacquiao as a legitimate two division lineal champ winner. At Flyweight & Featherweight. Before all the bogus Super, Junior straps were created, boxing was only 8 divisions. Belts are belts, but the ATG's of the past earned there mettle by beating the best in the division they competed in. Pacquiao fighting and beating Berto will make him the man @ WW, and give him recognition over Floyd IMO because Floyd @ this point simply is not fighting enough. If he does that, then I will have no further argument against Pacquiao. But, 130 and 140 have a rich history... It has been around for like close to 80 years. Tony Canzoneri and Barney Ross should be considered legitimate 3 division champs since they won the titles at 140 in the early 1930's.. But, that just me I guess.

I don't even care about this 8 division champ thing. There are 9 more divisions than there used to be and now days they practically give these alphabet belts away. The only real belt is the Ring belt and plus it shouldn't be about what belt a fighter holds, but who he fights instead. I don't even think about him having a belt at 154, if the Margarito fight wouldn't have been for a belt I would give him just as much credit just for fighting such a bigger fighter.

so he gets the titles by weight draining his opponent and when someone else like martinez could fight for the title he's holdng he can't defend it at the weight as the title is supposed to be fought at? so marg was weight draining? LOL

being a 'world' champ nowadays means WAY less than it did about 15+ years ago. just ignore it. even this silly 'lineal' thing is crap. only look at who he beat. its the quality of opponents that matters. and its a DAMN good resume of wins.

80-100 years from now, the only thing that would CLEARLY be on peoples minds is he's an 8 Division Champ/Belter. (That is on history books already!) All your arguments right now would settle in a trash bin 2 years from now...

so he gets the titles by weight draining his opponent and when someone else like martinez could fight for the title he's holdng he can't defend it? Who did he weight drain sir?

so he gets the titles by weight draining his opponent and when someone else like martinez could fight for the title he's holdng he can't defend it at the weight as the title is supposed to be fought at?

Not unless u win the Lineal championship. But if ur just gonna win one of those useless ABC belts, u should defend it before I consider u a champion. I don't know if I agree with that. Whitaker didn't win the lineal title at 154 and just won one of those useless ABC belts, but he beat a very good fighter and title holder and the much bigger strong guy. And, Whitaker won like 10 rounds against Julio Cesar Vazquez who was 53-1 and had wins over Castillejo, Marshall, and Winky. And, Pernell beat him decisively. Doesn't get the credit for the lineal title but he SHOULD get credit for beating a true good title holder in that division even though he never defended the title. However, that circumstances is different than Pac claim.