a response:Martinez is NOT almost the EXACT same size as Margarito

So Pac can just let Sergio come in at 157 and Pac can come in at 150-154...whichever catch weight of choice .. He can give up that weight like Floyd did against DLH.. Surely if Fraud can do it...Pac can.....

Jack, you should post like this more often... Making a lot of great points :fing02: Its more fun posting the other way. :lol1:

I give you the catchweight, I thought the weight was 157. But he didnt fight Kermit just last year he fought Cintron feb 14th 2009 which is closer to two years ago. Almost a year and 10 months ago to be exact. He weighed 157 1/2 for the first Williams fight, 159 1/2 for the pavlik fight and 1571/2 for the second williams fight and he complained about it the entire time that he had to fight at a catch weight. So by the time he fights pac it will be over two years since he last fought at 154 which makes your entire assumption weaker than Sergio martinez would be if he was able to fight pac at 154 Again you're still assuming that he can make the weight if so why are dibella and Sergio himself talking their way out of it by only agreeing to fight in the middleweight divisions when its clear that pac is not intrested in fighting someone with a 20 pound advantage. If Pac offers him a fight at 154 and Sexy says he can't make it, you win. But I think he would make it.

Martinez will give Pac problems if they did meet at any weight, Pac has not fought a boxer that wasn't on the downhill in a long time. Maravilla is very fast and a skilled southpaw. At least Pac would fight Martinez though, unlike Money..

Considering he just fought Cintron at 154 only last year, I"m pretty sure its not that big of a stretch, especially for the kind of money the fight would generate. They said the catchweight was 158. ???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$$$$$$$%%%^&&&&&&&&&&&&&#EQWWWWWWWWWW :haha: I give you the catchweight, I thought the weight was 157. But he didnt fight Kermit just last year he fought Cintron feb 14th 2009 which is closer to two years ago. Almost a year and 10 months ago to be exact. He weighed 157 1/2 for the first Williams fight, 159 1/2 for the pavlik fight and 1571/2 for the second williams fight and he complained about it the entire time that he had to fight at a catch weight. So by the time he fights pac it will be over two years since he last fought at 154 which makes your entire assumption weaker than Sergio martinez would be if he was able to fight pac at 154 Again you're still assuming that he can make the weight if so why are dibella and Sergio himself talking their way out of it by only agreeing to fight in the middleweight divisions when its clear that pac is not intrested in fighting someone with a 20 pound advantage.

Jack, you should post like this more often... Making a lot of great points :fing02:

Thats all one big giant fuking assumption that hes gonna make weight and if they can make the weight then why doesn't Martinez and Dibella come out and say it? Seriously your entire opinion is based on an assumption while all the evidence points to Martinez not being able to make weight. pretty fuking stupid!!! Considering he just fought Cintron at 154 only last year, I"m pretty sure its not that big of a stretch, especially for the kind of money the fight would generate. Lol!!! He failed to make weight for the Williams fight the contract weight was 157 he came in half a pound over that stupid moron! and as far as 144 vs 154 what if martinez can't make the weight like him and his promoter said????????????????????????????????????????? They said the catchweight was 158. ???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$$$$$$$%%%^&&&&&&&&&&&&&#EQWWWWWWWWWW :haha:

He didn't struggle. He would gladly lose 3 more pounds to fight at 54 or even 55. Clotty didn't, but Clottey has weighed close to 170 in past fights at WW. Martinez failed to make weight against someone? When did this happen? Pac can come in at 144 while letting Martinez come in at 154 for the JMW title. Lol!!! He failed to make weight for the Williams fight the contract weight was 157 he came in half a pound over that stupid moron! and as far as 144 vs 154 what if martinez can't make the weight like him and his promoter said?????????????????????????????????????????

You just said he's jmw champ. Martinez will make 154. Trust me. So he can't defend his title against a guy who can and WOULD make 154 to fight him? Which is it? Thats all one big giant fuking assumption that hes gonna make weight and if they can make the weight then why doesn't Martinez and Dibella come out and say it? Seriously your entire opinion is based on an assumption while all the evidence points to Martinez not being able to make weight. pretty fuking stupid!!!

sleep wit ya eyes open like your hero :rofl: LMAO!!!! cold but funny.

Martinez already said he cant make the weight and it was pretty well documented how much he struggled to make 157. Seriously did you think that this wasn't eventually gonna happen that pac could no longer go up in weight? He didn't struggle. He would gladly lose 3 more pounds to fight at 54 or even 55. Clotty didn't weight 170 on "fight night" stupid Clotty didn't, but Clottey has weighed close to 170 in past fights at WW. Margarito was able to make the weight unlike Martinez stupid. Martinez failed to make weight against someone? When did this happen? Again how do you prapose that this fight gets made when neither fighter can make the weight to actually be in the same weight division? Pac can come in at 144 while letting Martinez come in at 154 for the JMW title.

Everytime I watch that knockout of No Ceilings God it's like looking into a crystal ball and seeing Pacquiao knocking out Mayweather.

didn't they give Martinez's mid camp weight a couple weeks before the fight and it was around the mid 170's? I can swear i remember video of him being weighed and him around 173-176 and people were questioning if he would be able to make 158.

Once again how do you prapose the fight will happen if neither can make the weight necessary to actually be in the same fuking weight class? You just said he's jmw champ. Martinez will make 154. Trust me. He's won 8 titles in 8 divisions whats fraudulent about that? In fact it's 100% accurate. So he can't defend his title against a guy who can and WOULD make 154 to fight him? Which is it?

There is no point to argue with Burner cuz Burner is mentally ill person Just post him this

what happened Burner? you want Pacquiao to avenge Paul Williams? :lol1: fukkin clown sleep wit ya eyes open like your hero :rofl:

exactly..................... Exactly what? Because margarito can make 150 that automatically means martinez can to? By your fuking logic Chris Arreola can make the weight to fight Manny!

They are somewhat close in size. Martinez is a little shorter and thicker with longer reach and Marg is a bit taller. Still Martinez can't get down to 150 and Marg can. That's the main thing. Also Pac would never have fought Marg with that size difference if Marg was actually quick. Martinez can actually match Pac's speed if not beat it at times. You put that on top of the weight advantage and it's scary. Martinez also has a deceptively long reach. It's pretty obvious the difference...

Pac is jmw champ right? I'm pretty sure Sergio would make 154 if Pac agreed to defend his title. Dumbass. Pac can fight Cotto, but won't fight Foreman because he's too big, but Cotto can fight Foreman? Pac can fight Margarito who can fight Williams and Martinez but he can't fight Martinez? He also fought Clottey who comes in almost 170 on fight nights. Don't play little games and realize you're falling into a pactard trap here. He also fought Oscar, who is as big as Martinez and Margarito. Floyd fought Oscar at 154' and everyone wants Pac to fight Floyd. Why can Floyd fight at 154 and pac can't? I thought Floyd was ducking Pac? Martinez already said he cant make the weight and it was pretty well documented how much he struggled to make 157. Seriously did you think that this wasn't eventually gonna happen that pac could no longer go up in weight? Clotty didn't weight 170 on "fight night" stupid Margarito was able to make the weight unlike Martinez stupid. Again how do you prapose that this fight gets made when neither fighter can make the weight to actually be in the same weight division? Pleases explain you drooling fuking mongoloid?

So he's a fraud? He's won 8 titles in 8 divisions whats fraudulent about that? In fact it's 100% accurate.