I have been a long time Pacquiao hater. But I can no longer resist what he has accomplished. I have long wished for Floyd to destroy him but Floyd has truly disappointed and turned into a coward.
I truly believe now that Pacquiao is a top 10 ATG fighter and probably should replace Duran on the list and bump him down.
Bob Arum who worked with a lot of greats including Duran and Ali said the following:
"Arum believes that none of the great fighter he has worked with ever dominated with both hands the way Pacquiao does.
Arum who truly has been a big shot on the promoting scene of boxing for decades, was recently quoted by Reuters in regards to his feelings of Pacquiao being the best of all time. Arum stated: "I look at Manny as being the best that I've ever seen, including Ali."
Arum went on to add to the publication that both Pacman's right and left fists hit their target with equal power and credits this as being the reason Pacquiao destroys his foes. "I have never seen anything like that," said Arum, adding:"Not with Ray Leonard, not with Marvin Hagler, not with Duran."
If Pacquiao convincingly beats Floyd Mayweather next year and retires, he is the first modern boxer to finally be able to make the claim for #1 ATG of all time. PERIOD..............
corrales not a HOFer. Hernandez's last pro fight. over the hill.
Manny beat Barrera, Morales, JMM(if ur counting corrales), and Cotto. All future HOFers in their prime.
He fought Morales in his prime?
Cotto was a legit win, but he was in his prime??
Barrera 1 is Manny's best win without a doubt, he was prime.
He fought Marquez in his prime but got a draw. Would you say the one in 2008 was prime??
Marquez, Barrera, and Cotto were all legit and very good wins for Manny though.
Elite Club of Multiple Division World Champions w/ at least 4:
8 - Manny Pacquiao (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
6 - Oscar DeLa Hoya (130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160)
5 - Thomas Hearns (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. (130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Roberto Duran (135, 147, 154, 160)
4 - Pernell Whitaker (135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Leo Gomez (105, 108, 112, 115)
4 - Roy Jones Jr. (160, 168, 175, 200+)
Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of Ring Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
5 - Muhhamad Ali - 1963, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978
4 - Joe Louis - 1936, 1938, 1939, 1941
3 - Joe Frazier - 1967, 1970, 1971
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1987, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*
Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of BWAA Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
3 - Muhhamad Ali - 1965, 1974, 1975
3 - Joe Frazier - 1969, 1971, 1975
3 - Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976, 1979, 1981
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1990, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*
Comparing Manny Pacquiao among the Ring top-10 ATG Fighters:
Career W-L-D Record:
Joe Louis =========== 66-3-0 ======= 0.957
Willie Pep =========== 229-11-1 ===== 0.950
Muhhamad Ali ======== 56-5-0 ======= 0.918
Manny Pacquiao ====== 51-3-2 ======= 0.911 (4th)
Sugar Ray Leonard ==== 36-3-1 ======= 0.900
Pernell Whitaker ====== 40-4-1 ======= 0.889
Sugar Ray Robinson === 175-19-6 ===== 0.875
Harry Greb ========== 260-20-18 ==== 0.872
Roberto Duran ======= 103-16-0 ===== 0.866
Benny Leonard ======= 184-19-11 ==== 0.860
Henry Armstrong ===== 149-21-10 ==== 0.828
KO Percentage:
Joe Louis ============= 75.36%
Manny Pacquiao ======== 67.86% (2nd)
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 62.50%
Muhhamad Ali ========== 60.66%
Roberto Duran ========= 58.85%
Henry Armstrong ======= 56.11%
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 54.00%
Pernell Whitaker ======== 36.96%
Willie Pep ============= 26.97%
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Peak Record:
Harry Greb ============ 258-18-18
Benny Leonard ========= 184-18-11
Willie Pep ============= 134-1-1
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 128-1-2
Henry Armstrong ======= 108-12-8
Roberto Duran ========= 72-1-0
Joe Louis ============= 58-1-0
Muhhamad Ali ========== 55-2-0
Manny Pacquiao ======== 51-3-2 (9th)
Pernell Whitaker ======== 40-1-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 35-1-1
Number of HOF'er Defeated:
Harry Greb ------------------ 13
Norfolk, Tunney, Blackburn, Dillon, Flowers, Walker, Loughran, Miske,
Levinskey, M. Gibbons, Rosenbloom, Slattery, T. Gibbons
Sugar Ray Robinson -------- 10
Armstrong, LaMotta, Fullmer, Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano,
Zivic, Turpin, Angott, Olson
Henry Armstrong ----------- 10
Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic,
Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendi
Joe Louis -------------------- 8
Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock,
Lewis, Bivins
Muhhamad Ali --------------- 7
Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Benny Leonard -------------- 7
Tendler, Kansas, Dundee, Ritchie, Britton,
Kilbane, Welsh
Manny Pacquiao ------------- 6 (7th)
Barrera, Morales, Marquez, DeLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton
*Assuming all makes it in IBHOF
Sugar Ray Leonard --------- 4
Duran, Benitez, Hagler, Hearns
Roberto Duran -------------- 4
Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Buchanan
*De Jesus & Marcel have strong chances though
Willie Pep ------------------- 3
Saddler, Ortiz, Wright
Pernell Whitaker ------------ 2
Nelson, Ramirez
Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by Percentage:
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1 ======= 0.850
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1 ======= 0.850
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1 ======= 0.840
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1 ======= 0.830(4th)
Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1 ======== 0.780
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3 ======= 0.755
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4 ======= 0.684
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6 ====== 0.667
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by No. of Wins minus No. of Losses:
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1(7th)
Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Pacquiao's Other Statistics:
World Title Fights Record: 13-1-2
Number of Defeated World Champions: 12
Longest Win streak w/o a draw: 15
First Held a World Title at age: 19
Last Held a World Title at age: 31 (present)
Never fought a 0-0-0 fighter
Only a stupid Pactard believes Pac will ever be top 10. :rofl:
is bert sugar stupid?....is emmanuel steward stupid?....is roy jones stupid?....:nonono:.
Can't argue with these flomos. They are more knowledgeable than those voted Pac Fighter of the Decade. These idiots can't appreciate having one boxing title in one division alone is a difficult task to do. Thousands who tried and all they failed. Now Pac having these 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 titles these idiots thought its so simple? WTF! this butthurt flomos.
yet the 'bums' that they fought who were the same people, pac annihilated them and floyd barely got past them
pac ko'd hatton in 2 at his best fight weight. floyd barely eeked out 10th round win
floyd got a SPLIT DECISION against shot de la hoya (LOL!) pac murdered him and turned his face unrecognizable
pac annihilated Cotto, Floyd couldn't even knock out the guy that COTTO owned - MOSLEY. in fact mosley almost annihilated Floyd. LMAO!
Your logic is illogical to the 10th power.
It's not who or how you beat them. IT"S WHEN DID YOU BEAT THEM.
yet the 'bums' that they fought who were the same people, pac annihilated them and floyd barely got past them
pac ko'd hatton in 2 at his best fight weight. floyd barely eeked out 10th round win
floyd got a SPLIT DECISION against shot de la hoya (LOL!) pac murdered him and turned his face unrecognizable
pac annihilated Cotto, Floyd couldn't even knock out the guy that COTTO owned - MOSLEY. in fact mosley almost annihilated Floyd. LMAO!
Interesting you mention the weight Hatton weighed in when he fought Floyd and ignore the weight De la Hoya weighed in when he fought Pac. Floyd beat an undefeated Hatton at a weight class Hatton had fought in not too long before, although he didnt look too good. Pac beat Hatton at his best weight class yes but you fail to realize Hatton was no longer the same fighter after being knocked out, he even said it himself.
Floyd beat De la Hoya at his weight class and allowed De la hoya to choose the ring size, gloves, and come in at whatever weight he wanted. Whil Pac beat oscar at a weight he hadnt fought in since 2001. You say Oscar was past prime when he lost to Floyd, so what was he when he lost to Pacquiao??? Come on man
Duckiao;9852967']Comon now you idiot, they're both fighting bums. They have been for years.
Floyd's biggest wins are Corrales and Hernandez.
Pacquiao's biggest win was Barrera.
yet the 'bums' that they fought who were the same people, pac annihilated them and floyd barely got past them
pac ko'd hatton in 2 at his best fight weight. floyd barely eeked out 10th round win
floyd got a SPLIT DECISION against shot de la hoya (LOL!) pac murdered him and turned his face unrecognizable
pac annihilated Cotto, Floyd couldn't even knock out the guy that COTTO owned - MOSLEY. in fact mosley almost annihilated Floyd. LMAO!
#1. SRR
#2. Armstrong
#3. Pep
#4. Ali
#5. Louis
#6. Benny Leonard
#7. Charles
#8. Langford
#9. Ray Leonard
#10. Marciano
NO PACQUIAO. only stupid pactards with no boxing knowledge have him in the top 10. plus his career isn't even finished yet LOL
LMFAO!! marciano at #10 p4p atg? do you even watch boxing? Marciano is arguably not even top 10 heavyweight let alone top 10 p4p LMAO!!1 what a retard
#1. SRR
#2. Armstrong
#3. Pep
#4. Ali
#5. Louis
#6. Benny Leonard
#7. Charles
#8. Langford
#9. Ray Leonard
#10. Marciano
NO PACQUIAO. only stupid pactards with no boxing knowledge have him in the top 10. plus his career isn't even finished yet LOL
keep dreaming. floyd's accomplishments now aren't even comparable to pac's anymore. at one point they were probably about 2-3 years ago. but now? Come on now be real even a floyd fan would admit his accomplishments are no longer up to par to Pac's
Comon now you idiot, they're both fighting bums. They have been for years.
Floyd's biggest wins are Corrales and Hernandez.
Pacquiao's biggest win was Barrera.
even if Pac is not in top 10 atg, which he may very well NOT be, he is still FAR HIGHER on the ATG list than FRAUD Mayflower so either way you butthurts are owned
I agree that Pac is higher on the all time great list than Floyd but much of that is simply due to the fact that he is more active. Margarito is better than 90% of Floyds resume? Do u mean plaster filled Margarito or Margarito without plaster? Since he got caught with handwraps Margs has looked like a journeyman at best! That is why Roach and Arum decided to fight Margs now instead of fighting any of the top guys who are actually at 154!
Yes I believe Pac is higher on the all time great list but I believe Floyd is the more talented/gifted fighter of the two.
Duckiao;9852953']Really?
I have Floyd at 29 and Manny at 30.
Manny's biggest win was against Barrera the first time. Get over it meng.
keep dreaming. floyd's accomplishments now aren't even comparable to pac's anymore. at one point they were probably about 2-3 years ago. but now? Come on now be real even a floyd fan would admit his accomplishments are no longer up to par to Pac's
even if Pac is not in top 10 atg, which he may very well NOT be, he is still FAR HIGHER on the ATG list than FRAUD Mayflower so either way you butthurts are owned
Really?
I have Floyd at 29 and Manny at 30.
Manny's biggest win was against Barrera the first time. Get over it meng.
PACROID is the one cheating history.
1. Last 5 opponents lost their previous fights before fighting PACROID.
2. Only fights weakened weight drained fighters
3. Fight for Bogus fake vacated titles
4. Only Fights Damaged Goods
5. Does not want to be accurately tested for P.E.D
6. Never fights the #1 contender for any titles
7. Avoids fighters with A level boxing skills
8. Never fights the true champion in the division he hold titles in
PACROID has done a great job at making money only.
Earning a p4p ATG status NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even if Pac is not in top 10 atg, which he may very well NOT be, he is still FAR HIGHER on the ATG list than FRAUD Mayflower so either way you butthurts are owned
No no no.. Hes never been a Pactard like youre saying. Hes one of those haters that keeps bashing Pac every other day.
And hey, dont fool yourself, if theres a p4p All Time Fraud rankings, theres no doubt its Floyd who is on top of the list. Theres no way you can cheat history. lol
PACROID is the one cheating history.
1. Last 5 opponents lost their previous fights before fighting PACROID.
2. Only fights weakened weight drained fighters
3. Fight for Bogus fake vacated titles
4. Only Fights Damaged Goods
5. Does not want to be accurately tested for P.E.D
6. Never fights the #1 contender for any titles
7. Avoids fighters with A level boxing skills
8. Never fights the true champion in the division he hold titles in
PACROID has done a great job at making money only.
Earning a p4p ATG status NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!