Pacquiao not only ranked higher P4P than Mayweather, now ranked higher at 147 too....

how?don't you think if it was like that more fighters would do the same thing? If it was that easy, then EVERYONE would be doing it. I'm not good at boxing history, so can anyone tell me of any other fighter who came in ONE WEIGHT CLASS LOWER at weigh in than the weight class their supposed to be fighting at?

LOL, PBF taking a lot of Ls lately. :(

after his 1-2 year layoff , didn't floyd get ranked #3 at WW after beating jmm? Nope. #2! http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1128/ring_ratings_update_does_mayweather_deserve_his_ring_rankings_/ :rofl:

Ring Magazine has zero credibility for this dumbass move. You beat a fighter that got demolished in his previous and you get to move up in the rankings, WOW.

They didn't give a bullshit reason at all. They gave three extremely sensible reasons. And it was voted on by their ratings panel of 39 boxing experts, who don't work for The Ring (including Cliff Rold of boxingscene), and their ratings panel voted against (including Cliff). The #1 vs. the #3 can only be for the lineal title in exceptional circumstances. There were three reasons why they didn't consider this to be an exceptional circumstance. 1) Margarito was clearly ducking Williams, who had been ranked #2 by The Ring before he moved up in weight, who had only recently moved up solely because he couldn't get a meaningful fight at Welterweight, and who had offered Margarito a lot more money to fight him at Welterweight in January 2009 than Margarito was offered to fight Mosley in that month (he was offered $4 million to fight Williams and only $2.4 million to fight Mosley). 2) There was no reason why the Margarito-Mosley winner couldn't fight Cotto in their next fight for the lineal title. 3) Given that #2 ranked fighter, Cotto, had recently beaten the #3 ranked fighter, Mosley, it made sense that if Mosley beat Marg, there should be a Cotto-Mosley rematch, before a new champion could be crowned. I agree with all three reasons. I actually, at the time, voted for it on the grounds that, if Margarito won, with Williams out of class, he'd have had a clean out. I did not think the Margo win alone was enough for Shane but it made him #1 in class until beaten. As can be noted in the BoxingScene ratings, I believe that the win over Mosley was enough to restart Floyd's lineal claim at Welter.

after his 1-2 year layoff , didn't floyd get ranked #3 at WW after beating jmm? LOL! Good point.

dave, u just said that he got #1 after clottey, which is it? You didn't read my post properly. I said that when Cotto beat Clottey that made the Jennings fight irrelevant. Pac got his #1 ranking when he beat Cotto, and I never said anything different. And i never said cotto wasn't a top welter. I said that manny shouldn't be ranked #1 by just beating cotto or clottey for that matter. There is no justifying this, this is some bull Being ranked #1 after completely demolishing the man who beat Mosley and who was ranked #2 at the time is perfectly easy to justify. I have no problem whatsoever with those who ranked Mosley at #1, but to say there's no argument for Pac being #1 just shows you're ridiculously biased.

That means i could weigh 135 at the weigh in but fight at jr mw and be ranked at lightweight. That doesn't make sense at all. Marquez didn't lose his Lightweight ranking when he fought at Welterweight. And if he had fought and beaten Mayweather while weighing less than 135, which he didn't, then that would certainly have enhanced his Lightweight rating. You can't get a Lightweight ranking without beating top Lightweights. But you can enhance your existing Lightweight ranking if you can also beat bigger fighters (depending on the quality of those fighters), while still weighing under 135.

of course use an extreme comparison to make a point it just makes your point mean nothing, calderon bein probably the smallest fighter and vitali bein the biggest but i guess thats what people do when they don't have a logical rebuttal You said weight means nothing, so it's perfectly valid to use an extreme example to make the point that it does mean something. Your statement that I was responding to was an extreme statement.

Who was ranked at WW, without fighting a top WW? after his 1-2 year layoff , didn't floyd get ranked #3 at WW after beating jmm?

you were saying cotto wasn't a top welterweight because he beat jennings and then lost to marg. You conveniently forgot that since losing to marg, he had beaten the #3 ranked fighter in the division, having beaten several other top welters prior to the marg defeat. And clottey was still ranked #4 even after losing to cotto. So pac not only beat, but completely shut out, the #2 ranked fighter in the division, followed by the #4 ranked fighter in the division. In any case, pac got his #1 ring ranking immediately after the cotto fight, so the pac-clottey fight is irrelevant. dave, u just said that he got #1 after clottey, which is it? And i never said cotto wasn't a top welter. I said that manny shouldn't be ranked #1 by just beating cotto or clottey for that matter. There is no justifying this, this is some bull

you said before that he shouldn't be ranked at all because he'd never fought at welterweight. You seem to have changed your tune now. If he had never fought at welterweight, he wouldn't be ranked at welterweight. But he wouldn't have risen in rank if it hadn't been for the facts that: 1) the ring considered and still consider floyd and pac to be more or less joint #1s, so a very small change in circumstances can cause them to switch positions. 2) he fought that fight as a welterweight; and beating a given fighter when you're a welterweight and your opponent is a jnr middleweight is obviously more impressive than beating the same fighter when you both weigh under 147. no i didn't, u misunderstanding me. I said he shouldn't be ranked #1. As far as what he weighed at weigh in shouldn't matter when it comes to rankings. That means i could weigh 135 at the weigh in but fight at jr mw and be ranked at lightweight. That doesn't make sense at all. If you are to rise in the rankings in any division you must: 1. Fight at that weight and defeat a top rank fighter at that weight above you 2. Or someone ahead of you loses

Yeah, let's just abolish weight classes completely. Calderon vs. Vitali anyone? of course use an extreme comparison to make a point it just makes your point mean nothing, calderon bein probably the smallest fighter and vitali bein the biggest but i guess thats what people do when they don't have a logical rebuttal

bigger doesn't mean better Yeah, let's just abolish weight classes completely. Calderon vs. Vitali anyone?

what do u mean?i'm sayin like for example marquez fighting floyd,why would marquez have to get in a sauna samething for manny in the margo fight If Marquez had weighed in for that fight at under 135, which he didn't, and if he had beaten Floyd, which he didn't, then it would certainly have enhanced his standing as a Lightweight. But my point was that most fighters boil down to well under their natural weight for the weigh-in, whereas Pac doesn't.

that's even worst..lol. Beat cotto and then go and beat the guy cotto just beat. C'mon man, lets be serious! You were saying Cotto wasn't a top Welterweight because he beat Jennings and then lost to Marg. You conveniently forgot that since losing to Marg, he had beaten the #3 ranked fighter in the division, having beaten several other top Welters prior to the Marg defeat. And Clottey was still ranked #4 even after losing to Cotto. So Pac not only beat, but completely shut out, the #2 ranked fighter in the division, followed by the #4 ranked fighter in the division. In any case, Pac got his #1 Ring ranking immediately after the Cotto fight, so the Pac-Clottey fight is irrelevant.

Most boxers disagree, which is why they go into saunas to make weight. what do u mean?i'm sayin like for example marquez fighting floyd,why would marquez have to get in a sauna samething for manny in the margo fight

You said before that he shouldn't be ranked at all because he'd never fought at Welterweight. You seem to have changed your tune now. If he had never fought at Welterweight, he wouldn't be ranked at Welterweight. But he wouldn't have risen in rank if it hadn't been for the facts that: 1) The Ring considered and still consider Floyd and Pac to be more or less joint #1s, so a very small change in circumstances can cause them to switch positions. 2) He fought that fight as a Welterweight; and beating a given fighter when you're a Welterweight and your opponent is a Jnr Middleweight is obviously more impressive than beating the same fighter when you both weigh under 147. how is that more impressive? this is the thing with pacfans bigger is better and thats all that matters but if you watch mma forrest griffin was 15lbs bigger than anderson silva and how did that fight play out?bigger doesn't mean better and honestly margarito has not done anything to prove he is atleast a good bigman he just a big stupid man

how do you know that?if anything your body should feel good because your not workin that hard to try to make a certain weight Most boxers disagree, which is why they go into saunas to make weight.

no, i'm talking about right now. I don't agree with a fighter rising in rank in a division without even fighting in the division. You said before that he shouldn't be ranked at all because he'd never fought at Welterweight. You seem to have changed your tune now. If he had never fought at Welterweight, he wouldn't be ranked at Welterweight. But he wouldn't have risen in rank if it hadn't been for the facts that: 1) The Ring considered and still consider Floyd and Pac to be more or less joint #1s, so a very small change in circumstances can cause them to switch positions. 2) He fought that fight as a Welterweight; and beating a given fighter when you're a Welterweight and your opponent is a Jnr Middleweight is obviously more impressive than beating the same fighter when you both weigh under 147.