So what are your thoughts my fellow Mexi's? I mean yall were everywhere when Calderon got beat after reigning for so many years. Now a rican that turned pro at 23 with no amateur background just whipped one of your people in 11 rounds...pay ur respects to Wilfredo Vazquez Jr.
I have to give it to you PUERTO RICANS. Yall got the New Era Slaves frantic!!! Not a day passes without an NES threat on boxing scene about how they are better fighters than PUERTO RICANS!!!!! If they WERE that much more superiour they shouldn't even worry about it!!!! I guess 4 million> 112 million does make a differance! It's like a Flyweight against a HW. NO CONTEST!!!!! FUNNY SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this racist shiit needs to stop...
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Fukkin Puerco rican, a shot Morales quit on Pac but WTF did Miguel Jotto do against Pac, nada. Dumb rican making dumb rican threads you guys need to stop with the P4p country sh!t does even make sense. Does everyone in puerto rico really want to become a boxer. Because that is the only time you can make the P4p per capita claim you dumb sh!ts
The Puerco is that guy on your pic, that is what you call a puerco. Your hero is a cheater, the so called "mas macho" was fighting with plaster in his wraps. Yeah that is pretty macho. Chavez Jr. got caught using diuretics, another cheater. Is that the kind of boxers your country is creating now? Sad very sad, and what is even sadder is that those are your heros.:sad:
I dont know man, it's like they think that beating people like Jaime maldonado(6-12-1), Azael Loera (0-13-2) and Lee Cargle (35-117-1) makes Choko a good contender.
it's simple to me
if you know the fighter then break it down for me which none of them who called this a test could tell me exactly why.
oh well
who did this? that's insane if true
nah I think most here would have slammed Vazquez for being nothing than a hype job. I wouldn't personally because of Vazquez inexperience but in all honestly it would have been more satisfying for some idiots on here to bash the Puerto Rican fighter than praise the Mexican one.
now that's beside the point
exactly what made anyone think Choko was anything? I am still waiting for this answer......
and waiting
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waiting
I dont know man, it's like they think that beating people like Jaime maldonado(6-12-1), Azael Loera (0-13-2) and Lee Cargle (35-117-1) makes Choko a good contender.
made Segura into a bum? going into the fight most people thought that he would lose, people all over the place on here said he would lose including myself, the only people who picked him are people that no matter what would pick a Mexican over a Puertorican regardless of who's fighting and a VERY VERY small select few who know their Boxing, the overwhelming majority though picked Calderon to win and if he would have danced away on Segura the way he did everyone else people wouldn't even have remembered Segura nor would they have placed his name in the elite bracket of Mexican fighters but he pulls off the win and suddenly this guy puts him in the same sentence of Barrera and the Marquez brothers?
who did this? that's insane if true
honestly answer this, if Vasquez would have lost and Choko knocked him out instead would you still be saying that Choko was nothing special? no you wouldn't you would be giving him his respect and saying sh1t like "another win for Mexico", now since Vasquez won by KO all of a sudden Choko is nothing special but had he won you already know that the dick riders on this forum would be making up different groups and talking sh1t, don't be naive now and act like it isn't this way on here, it happened with Segura who wasn't nothing before but then after just 1 win people act like he's superman so don't act like I'm just throwing out unreasonable assumptions
nah I think most here would have slammed Vazquez for being nothing than a hype job. I wouldn't personally because of Vazquez inexperience but in all honestly it would have been more satisfying for some idiots on here to bash the Puerto Rican fighter than praise the Mexican one.
now that's beside the point
exactly what made anyone think Choko was anything? I am still waiting for this answer......
and waiting
and
waiting
made Segura into a bum? going into the fight most people thought that he would lose, people all over the place on here said he would lose including myself, the only people who picked him are people that no matter what would pick a Mexican over a Puertorican regardless of who's fighting and a VERY VERY small select few who know their Boxing, the overwhelming majority though picked Calderon to win and if he would have danced away on Segura the way he did everyone else people wouldn't even have remembered Segura nor would they have placed his name in the elite bracket of Mexican fighters but he pulls off the win and suddenly this guy puts him in the same sentence of Barrera and the Marquez brothers?
honestly answer this, if Vasquez would have lost and Choko knocked him out instead would you still be saying that Choko was nothing special? no you wouldn't you would be giving him his respect and saying sh1t like "another win for Mexico", now since Vasquez won by KO all of a sudden Choko is nothing special but had he won you already know that the dick riders on this forum would be making up different groups and talking sh1t, don't be naive now and act like it isn't this way on here, it happened with Segura who wasn't nothing before but then after just 1 win people act like he's superman so don't act like I'm just throwing out unreasonable assumptions
If Vasquez would have lost by KO to Choko I would have said that Vasquez was all hype to lose to this average fighter. Choko has never been anything special really why cant' you understand. Again you assume that every mexican would have been going ape sh*t about the fight if choko would have won. I'm sure people would be talking, not about how great choko is but how Vasquez lost to a B level fighter.
Also, Segura was a big name before the Calderon fight and is still the best in the division. Wtf are you saying? It wasn't just one win.
Now you are assuming people would've made Segura into a bum if he would have lost to Calderon. Your point is null because even if you claim to know how people act you do not know for certain. You are making stupid assumptions.
Vasquez didn't beat anything special like I said before, the majority thought WV2 was going to win. So it wasn't anything to brag about.
made Segura into a bum? going into the fight most people thought that he would lose, people all over the place on here said he would lose including myself, the only people who picked him are people that no matter what would pick a Mexican over a Puertorican regardless of who's fighting and a VERY VERY small select few who know their Boxing, the overwhelming majority though picked Calderon to win and if he would have danced away on Segura the way he did everyone else people wouldn't even have remembered Segura nor would they have placed his name in the elite bracket of Mexican fighters but he pulls off the win and suddenly this guy puts him in the same sentence of Barrera and the Marquez brothers?
honestly answer this, if Vasquez would have lost and Choko knocked him out instead would you still be saying that Choko was nothing special? no you wouldn't you would be giving him his respect and saying sh1t like "another win for Mexico", now since Vasquez won by KO all of a sudden Choko is nothing special but had he won you already know that the dick riders on this forum would be making up different groups and talking sh1t, don't be naive now and act like it isn't this way on here, it happened with Segura who wasn't nothing before but then after just 1 win people act like he's superman so don't act like I'm just throwing out unreasonable assumptions
you only shouting Segura's name because of the Calderon win and to this day I still feel some sort of way about that, they should never have allowed Capetillo in training or any form of Boxing, he shouldn't have the availability to work with fighters again because his reputation is enough to mess up other guys reps, it brought a big ass cloud over that whole fight for me but I wont get into that, nothing was proven but as long as Capetillo is in anyone's corner I will ALWAYS have a hunch that some foul play is in effect..
the point of my whole reply to you though is that you mention Segura as if you would have mentioned him prior to the Calderon fight but what if Segura would have lost? you wouldn't say his name right now but since he won you say it as if he's some top notch elite Mexican fighter when if he lost to Calderon you would have written him off like the many other Mexicans Calderon beat and the way you trying to write off Choko.
then you have the nerve to ask "who did Vasquez beat?" when if Vasquez would have lost you would have done the same thing you did with Segura and mention Choko's name as if HE was something to talk about in Mexican Boxing but since he lost now all of a sudden it's "who did he beat" right, same with Segura if Calderon would have won it would have been "who did Calderon fight?", give props to where it's due man Choko is a tough Mexican fighter and he got beat by a superior fighter who happened to be from PR
Now you are assuming people would've made Segura into a bum if he would have lost to Calderon. Your point is null because even if you claim to know how people act you do not know for certain. You are making stupid assumptions.
Vasquez didn't beat anything special like I said before, the majority thought WV2 was going to win. So it wasn't anything to brag about.
who did he beat?? Seriously shut the **** up...
You can go a head and make a thread when someone such as JM Marquez, Montiel, Segura, or even guys such as Canelo get beat, but who the **** lost???
you only shouting Segura's name because of the Calderon win and to this day I still feel some sort of way about that, they should never have allowed Capetillo in training or any form of Boxing, he shouldn't have the availability to work with fighters again because his reputation is enough to mess up other guys reps, it brought a big ass cloud over that whole fight for me but I wont get into that, nothing was proven but as long as Capetillo is in anyone's corner I will ALWAYS have a hunch that some foul play is in effect..
the point of my whole reply to you though is that you mention Segura as if you would have mentioned him prior to the Calderon fight but what if Segura would have lost? you wouldn't say his name right now but since he won you say it as if he's some top notch elite Mexican fighter when if he lost to Calderon you would have written him off like the many other Mexicans Calderon beat and the way you trying to write off Choko.
then you have the nerve to ask "who did Vasquez beat?" when if Vasquez would have lost you would have done the same thing you did with Segura and mention Choko's name as if HE was something to talk about in Mexican Boxing but since he lost now all of a sudden it's "who did he beat" right, same with Segura if Calderon would have won it would have been "who did Calderon fight?", give props to where it's due man Choko is a tough Mexican fighter and he got beat by a superior fighter who happened to be from PR
To be honest I just wanted to push buttons since you guys **** on our fighters so much...damn yall come in flocks to attack lol
the funny thing is while we celebrated on a great victory over a champion in calderun, you are celebrating a WVII victory over a journeyman in Choko Hernandez...who's WAY past his good days. its ok! i give it to Vasquez! much respect to a guy who never fought a single amateur fight and is doing well in the pros! but, to peeps like you, there's zero respect. in fact you're making boricuas look pathetic celebrating this win like a big time fight!... i don't blame you, PR hasn't had much to celebrate in boxing this year! hahahaha!
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This is getting f*cking ridiculous. WV2 looked okay I was expecting a big knockout. When people talk about the Calderon vs Segura fight, people like to rub it on the rican's faces because I can assure that most if not every PR said that Segura was going to be outboxed and outclassed. On the other hand, for this fight a lot of people Mexicans included didn't expect hernandez to win.
For all the mexicans talking ****:
You act as if your champions take on the best of their division immediately after winning a title but let's take for example your newfound idol Giovanni Segura who after winning the tilte against Canchila took on Juanito Rubillar a guy with 12 defeats and in his second defense took on Sonny Boy Jaro who had 7 defeats, and you don't consider those guys bums?
the problem we have here is that I don't think I saw anyone on here touting the wins Segura had over these as anything of note.
did you? I mean can you actually find me a thread where someone was touting the wins over Jaro and Rubillar as something of note?
by contrast there were quite a few PR fans touting Choko as if he were something special when, if you actually followed boxing rather than just the fighters from your island, you would know he was nothing more than a past prime fringe title holder at best.
or Fernando Montiel who on his second defense after winning his first title at featherweight took on Juan Domingo Cordoba a guy with 5 defeats.
again find me someone who holds this win in high esteem and I will back up what you said
....I will be waiting
Wilfredo had no amateur experience and is climbing up the ladder slowly, you act like all champions face the best in the division immediately after winning a title when you know most take time facing other guys even Mexicans do it but you don't see us Puerto Ricans critizing the opossition of mexicans with the exception of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. but heck even some Mexicans do that.
um let's see
well I have criticism of Canelo in this very thread.
now what you say about that?
I dont think he is a great fighter but I dont dont think he is that horrible,he went toe to toe with Vazquez he was just to much for him
honestly stop
Choko is simply not that good
at his best he was a fringe title holder getting by off of a win over a drugged out Mark Johnson
at this stage he is a benchmark fighter more than a serious threat to anyone
Hernandez is not the top, but He was a good test in the middle for Papito. Papito would do better just by changing shoes and maybe Vazquez Sr adding one corner man with more experience.
Both boxer and corner can't be unexperience and we have to tide all ends before facing the top 3 fighters.
Bro, Hernandez is just not that good.
Props to Vazquez doing what he had to do.
But, I don't put it as a good win for hm.
Because, Hernandez is just not that good. Even in his prime at best he was a solid journeyman. Now this version of a past prime Hernandez he just not that good. Not horrible, but not that good.
yes I can agree with you on that
I dont think he is a great fighter but I dont dont think he is that horrible,he went toe to toe with Vazquez he was just to much for him
Bro, Hernandez is just not that good.
Props to Vazquez doing what he had to do.
But, I don't put it as a good win for hm.
Because, Hernandez is just not that good. Even in his prime at best he was a solid journeyman. Now this version of a past prime Hernandez he just not that good. Not horrible, but not that good.
Hernandez right now is not that good.
I am wondering the same on how many real fans we got here.
I dont think he is a great fighter but I dont dont think he is that horrible,he went toe to toe with Vazquez he was just to much for him