White America needs to produce good boxers

in the 80's the sugar ray leonards were dominating boxing and mainstream white americans loved boxing.. boxing has fell off cause of promoters and guys like Floyd who cherry pick. The ufc is well promoted and dana makes sure the best fight the best and there is no cherry picking. just like yesterday. Dana White promotes fights only what drunks want to see, those dumbasses able to pay for those matches. He let fight in MMA nobody from outside.. street legen Kimbo Slice. poor guy also ko'd by nobody. And if you people think race plays a big role ya'll fools. I'll agree just cuz US is multi-national country. Other than that here in Europe, Russia, Ukraine doesnt freakin matter, we care about boxers, skills, attitude. not skin colour. Boxing was, stays and always gonna be as Classic sport, period.

Race is a factor, there's no doubt about that; it's perfectly natural for one to gravitate toward or support their own race in sport. However, I tend to agree with the guys in this thread who see the problem as being, largely, an organisational one. White is able to guide MMA almost single-handedly; he makes sure the fights that need to materialise do; and he does a great job of packaging event DVDs and so on. He's tapped into an ageing WWE/WWF market as well. His shows have all the bombast of a WWE event. I don't think boxing particularly HAS to learn from MMA (it's survived this long and we're a loyal bunch) but it'd be nice for us if, as fans, it did learn to direct and manage itself properly. The grass roots are fine (at least here in Britain they are) but we just don't get enough big boxing glamour nights that grab the interest of casual fans.

in the 80's the sugar ray leonards were dominating boxing and mainstream white americans loved boxing.. Boxing has fell off cause of promoters and guys like floyd who cherry pick. the ufc is well promoted and dana makes sure the best fight the best and there is no cherry picking. exactly!!!

White American's don't dominate MMA...The Brazilian do! but I understand what you are saying, but it is not just about having good White Fighters in MMA, Dana White is doing a great job Marketing and he is doing a great Job giving the fans Match Ups they WANT TO SEE, that is what is making MMA so big

Why does the usa love ufc? its because white fighters practically dominate the sport and white america loves it. Face it, the only good american boxers are black and quite frankly mainstream white america dont care about them. Just look at chad dawson and andre berto but yet when kelly pavlik comes on the scene hes huge. White/black/hispanic people will support their own kind, just looking at the Ufc crowd tonight reminded me a of a wrestling match. All white drunks. This isnt a racist post but all the white fighters are coming from europe, white fighters attract fans. Especially american whites and thats where the money is at. in the 80's the sugar ray leonards were dominating boxing and mainstream white americans loved boxing.. boxing has fell off cause of promoters and guys like Floyd who cherry pick. The ufc is well promoted and dana makes sure the best fight the best and there is no cherry picking.

That is unfortunately part of it, and that's something I don't understand. Sure, there are a lot of good white MMA fighters, but aren't the best fighters guys that AREN'T white? So what the hell? Besides, MMA isn't nearly as popular as they try to proclaim themselves as. They may have more of a media push at the moment, but boxing is every bit as popular. GSP / Fedor / Lesnar / Liddell / Couture / Sonnen (Schooled Silva for nearly 5 rounds) o_O All this time & I never knew - they're not white? :soapbox:

you can be a middle class high school or college guy and take up mma and become champion but you cant really do that with boxing.

What in gods name has boxingscene come to. :nonono: I dont know man....I really cant call it!!

That is unfortunately part of it, and that's something I don't understand. Sure, there are a lot of good white MMA fighters, but aren't the best fighters guys that AREN'T white? So what the hell? Besides, MMA isn't nearly as popular as they try to proclaim themselves as. They may have more of a media push at the moment, but boxing is every bit as popular.

Why does the usa love ufc? its because white fighters practically dominate the sport and white america loves it. Face it, the only good american boxers are black and quite frankly mainstream white america dont care about them. Just look at chad dawson and andre berto but yet when kelly pavlik comes on the scene hes huge. White/black/hispanic people will support their own kind, just looking at the Ufc crowd tonight reminded me a of a wrestling match. All white drunks. This isnt a racist post but all the white fighters are coming from europe, white fighters attract fans. Especially american whites and thats where the money is at. Dawson is a defensive fighter, one who based on his last performance, seems to lack the mentality of a fighter, plus, his fights thus far have not been particularly exciting, hell, he had to go to Jean Pascal's home town cause he could not draw any fans. As for Berto, Berto is a guy who has fought B/C class opposition thus far, a guy who has an overinflated opinion of himself, like he thinks he is a superstar already, despite not having beaten anyone of note. Pavlik dethroned the undisputed MW champ, a champ who before Pavlik beat him, seemed to be disgracing the championship by labouring against fighters he should of been dominating, aside from that, Pavlik is a balls to the wall fighter who throws bombs and be's aggressive. Of coarse there will be an element of that, but do we seriously think the situation would be any different if the majority of the population of American were black or Asian? no, there would still be a pocket of people that rooted for a guy based on colour, thats why this thread is stupid, its the type of thing that does not need saying, cause its obvious that element exists, will always, regardless whether majority race is white or black/Asian.

People will naturally gravitate towards their own race if only marginally and they hold no bias. Familiarity creates a connection to people so it's reasonable to state white folks would like to see white boxers do equally well in boxings lower divisions although a fair and object person would equally love and respect good non white fighters too. If a fan wants to see white / black boxers do well but respects all boxers equally that's a true fan. If a fan wants to see white / black boxers do well and other races not that's a racist. But if you bring nationality into the equation all bets are off. ( I Am looking at you Americans he he....)

no..it has nothing to do with race... well race is a factor but not THE factor... THE factor in boxing, and bringing more of America into boxing, is marketability. For instance Mayweather is the biggest draw in the sport and he's most decidedly not white. DLH ,Tyson, Roy, Ali, and so on.. TS you mentioned Berto, Dawson... Both have boring personalities and not the most entertaining fight styles. Dawson in particular has a boring safety first style. Mayweather also rocked that same mindset for a while, but his defensive skills were/are better, he had the ability to dazzle onlookers with his artistry... who has ever been dazzled by Dawson? Berto? lol.. Mr. Clinch? Please.

black american fighters are overhyped like crazy on this forum, if they were all that good why do they always get exposed when they fight white eastern european fighters?

Boxing is, was, and will forever be, a global sport. A true fan of the sport does not care where a fighter came from, or what color he is. This whole "boxing is dying" theory is rubbish. I wonder how many posters on here are old enough to remember the first Ali/Chuvalo fight. I'm only bringing that 1965 fight up because experts and fans alike said it was a sign that boxing was in its death throws! There have always been people who over react to every little thing, and they have always been wrong. And by the way, the thread starter's reference to Kelly Pavlik was way off the mark. He gained popularity because he had a hell of a run from the fall of 2005 up to his September 2007 title shot, and then he knocked out the undefeated, undisputed middleweight champion of the world. In so doing he became just the 5th man in history to win the true middleweight championship while still undefeated. It had nothing to do with being white. :boxing: Watch the Ali-Chuvalo documentary, they have someone spewing the same trash you mention.

:lol1: This dude is delusional. Nope, most of what he has said is fact. You, however, are delusional.

Boxing is, was, and will forever be, a global sport. A true fan of the sport does not care where a fighter came from, or what color he is. This whole "boxing is dying" theory is rubbish. I wonder how many posters on here are old enough to remember the first Ali/Chuvalo fight. I'm only bringing that 1965 fight up because experts and fans alike said it was a sign that boxing was in its death throws! There have always been people who over react to every little thing, and they have always been wrong. And by the way, the thread starter's reference to Kelly Pavlik was way off the mark. He gained popularity because he had a hell of a run from the fall of 2005 up to his September 2007 title shot, and then he knocked out the undefeated, undisputed middleweight champion of the world. In so doing he became just the 5th man in history to win the true middleweight championship while still undefeated. It had nothing to do with being white.

Why does the usa love ufc? its because white fighters practically dominate the sport and white america loves it. Face it, the only good american boxers are black and quite frankly mainstream white america dont care about them. Just look at chad dawson and andre berto but yet when kelly pavlik comes on the scene hes huge. White/black/hispanic people will support their own kind, just looking at the Ufc crowd tonight reminded me a of a wrestling match. All white drunks. This isnt a racist post but all the white fighters are coming from europe, white fighters attract fans. Especially american whites and thats where the money is at. It's not so true. They white but they don't sell... Mayeather is a great seller,Pacquiao is huge.

I dont think its so much as a white or black thing, as it is we as americans watch lame a$$ sports Golf, tennis, nascar! I had boxing on the tv at the bar I worked at in the past and some guy asked for the World series of poker to be put on. I wanted to beer bottle his face!!! and kelly pavliks sucks balls

Nope, just letting you know...no notable Eastern Europeans in the lower weights...and 168 is Ward/Dirrell's division...and 175 will be Bad Chad's... 168 is Lucian Bute... He is way more talented, fast and hard puncher than both Dirrell's and Ward. BTW, Pascal own 175lbs, not Dawson. Thats why he lose and isnt the Ring magazine champ.

I was around when Tyson first came out and he was ten times more known and popular than Kelly Pavlik. It just takes an exciting KO fighter to get peoples attention. co-sign......