Which No-Mas Was Worse Oritz-Maidana Or DLH-Pacquaio?

De La Hoya was coming to the end of his career and gave up against not only the top p4p fighter in the world but one of the greatest fighters ever. However Ortiz... he is the young, hungry, fearless new comer. This is the worst 'No mas' Props for bouncing back though.

I don't think a fighter calling it a day really means anything so my answer is neither. Both fighters are well within their rights to protect themselves and any fan who says otherwise is a just a self importent butthole.

Ortiz, no debate. Oscar was a part time fighter, in bad shape, and getting his ass kicked for 8 rounds. Ortiz was winning a fight and gave up when the other guy wouldn't let him win.

I honestly think Victor Ortiz is very, very over hyped, He gets talked about more than people like Bradley/Alexander who are world champions, Ortiz has never been world champion and who has Ortiz fought? Maidana? We know what happened there? An elderly Campbell? Vivian Harris? These are all washed up names who should retire from boxing. The fight that I want to see is Ortiz -V- Kotelnik, If Ortiz can KO Kotelnik he will make a massive statement, Kotelnik has never been on the canvas as an amatuer or professional so even getting a knockdown against Kotelnik is a great feat. Plus Kotelnik is a good boxer with sound fundamentals. Ortiz and GBP should make the Ortiz -V- Maidana fight for Dec 11th on the Khan -V- Maidana undercard in Vegas, It will give the fans what they want! Don King will jump at the chance to put Kotelnik in there with Ortiz

Oscar was a beaten man a month before the fight,eating kangaroo meat & $hit weighting 144!!Ortiz was healthy & in shape,dropped his guy early & didn't expect his man to get back up & deliver his own punishment so he just quit.

I am a big fan of Victor Ortiz, but him quitting was worse than Oscar quitting. Victor was actually ahead on the cards and it was a shock to see a young upcoming star losing his fighting spirit. Oscar took a beating for the whole fight and it was one of those natural things which happens with a lot of great fighters in their last fights, that they pass the torch and get retired by boxing and fresh blood. All that said, neither of the two acts were cowardly in any way and Victor will be back! :boxing:

I think most has been said. Oscar was never going to win the fight though I think it was his corner that quit for him. He was shot and had nothing left. Victor was an up and comer with it all to prove. On one hand I feel that who am i to say another person, all be it a boxer, has not taken enough punishment. Then on the other, it's the fight business, pain and hurt are the price you pay. Often how much you are willing to overcome those obstacles dictates your success. I think the fact that his mindset was "I don't deserve to get beaten up like that" will always leave a grey cloud over him for his future.

I don't see the comparison, Oscar took a beating, his eye was closed and the beating was getting worse. Ortiz quit because he didn't want to risk getting hurt!

The worse punked-out, b*tch-slapped, No-Mas quit job EVER, in the history of the sport of boxing, was the beating that Manny Pacquiao put on delahoja who was 3 times bigger than Manny, who had never ever fought above the 135 lbs division. Challenging such a small fighter, that no other fighter in delahojas weight class could of challenged, and receiving the BEATING he got from Pacquiao was the worse ever recorded in modern day history! :lol1: Yeah, of course it was. I guess then that Julio Cesar Chavez Sr wasn't a true Mexican. He quit in his corner in the second DLH fight. All this talk is bullspit. Ortiz didn't do himself any favors quitting like that, but Oscar got the crap beat out of him and there was no point in his continuing. I have no problem at all with quitting, it all depends on the situation. Yeah Erik quit in that fight, but it was completely acceptable. He realised he was spent at that level and just couldn't go with Pacquiao. An entirely different situation to say Victor's. Exactly. Good posts gents. :fing02:

Golden boy and Oscar DLH have over hyped Ortiz as the next big thing, Forcing him down everyones throat as the best prospect. When Ortiz faught Maidana he was very badly exposed and de-hyped. To make things worse he quit and said he didnt think he "deserve to get beat up like this". No-one expected Ortiz to put up such a meek proformance and prove to be so heartless. Also after the Ortiz-Maidana fight Ortiz continued to act like a goofy kid laughing and joking about the whole thing, As though him quiting like a coward was funny and amusing to watch when it was embarrassing. DLH on the other hand was critical of the way Oritiz fought and didnt like the No-mas, But DLH himself quit on his stool against a much smaller in height, reach Manny pacquaio, So its somewhat rich of him to critic Oritiz for pulling a no-mas. In DLH defence he is a 10 time multi-weight world champion, Oritiz is nothing of the sort and just a hype job. My question here is which one of the two no-mas was worse? DLH or Ortiz? I doubt a real Mexican like Marquez, Barrera, Morales would quit in the way DLH, Ortiz quit. A true Mexican would die in the ring than quit on his stool. Don't be ridiculous. By the time fighters get well past their best and the fire and spirit is all but gone and they are just fighting because they don't know anything else, many give up along the way....Some you don't notice, some you do. Chavez has given up, Ray Robinson has given up, Morales gave up trying because his legs were shot....great fighters have all given up when they are past it. Whether mentally or physically, it can happen to anyone. Geez I hate these threads and the viewpoint spouted by most in them.

I have no problem at all with quitting, it all depends on the situation. Yeah Erik quit in that fight, but it was completely acceptable. He realised he was spent at that level and just couldn't go with Pacquiao. An entirely different situation to say Victor's. I agree man. Erik walked out of a fight against a guy he trained against and tried to fight that night, but just realized, along with pretty much the entire audience that he had zero chance. Morales' lost was similar to Oscar's, but shorter and more spectacular. He took his beating, showed he couldn't do anything for 8 rounds. And it was Nacho who recommended stopping it and De la Hoya just didn't respond. Ortiz quit on his admission. I am sure his corner really wanted him to keep fighting. He had a chance to win if he would have weathered the storm and then boxed a little and go for a later knockout. Or, he could have just went for it, but that's what got him in trouble in the first place. Plus, Ortiz was beating Maidana's ass pretty bad early on. So he had a good chance to win, but Ortiz quit when he faced adversity, while Morales and De la Hoya, and everyone else knew they had no chance against Pac. Ortiz quit on his feet. Morales quit after Pacquiao dropped him three times. Ortiz complained and said he didn't deserve to get beat up while being young. WTF? Morales said he trained his hardest, it just wasn't his night, and thanked everyone: http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/11/18/morales.jpg

Ortiz by far. Oscar was a future hall of famer, millionaire with nothing else to prove and at the end of his career against a star in his prime. Ortiz is an up and coming prospect that hasnt done **** and should be hungry. The first time he faced some adversity in a fight he still could have won, he quit like a lil ol baby ***** amd then sounded like he wanted to retire.

Ortiz was worst. He was in a winnable fight and quit. De La Hoya was past his prime and dehydrated, plus overtrained against a hungry fighter at his best.

Dlh was just outclassed an couldnt do nothing about it..ortiz just got scared.....He didn't get scared imo. He had, had enough, but fans thought he could've fought on...

Dlh was just outclassed an couldnt do nothing about it..ortiz just got scared.....

Golden boy and Oscar DLH have over hyped Ortiz as the next big thing, Forcing him down everyones throat as the best prospect. When Ortiz faught Maidana he was very badly exposed and de-hyped. To make things worse he quit and said he didnt think he "deserve to get beat up like this". No-one expected Ortiz to put up such a meek proformance and prove to be so heartless. Also after the Ortiz-Maidana fight Ortiz continued to act like a goofy kid laughing and joking about the whole thing, As though him quiting like a coward was funny and amusing to watch when it was embarrassing. DLH on the other hand was critical of the way Oritiz fought and didnt like the No-mas, But DLH himself quit on his stool against a much smaller in height, reach Manny pacquaio, So its somewhat rich of him to critic Oritiz for pulling a no-mas. In DLH defence he is a 10 time multi-weight world champion, Oritiz is nothing of the sort and just a hype job. My question here is which one of the two no-mas was worse? DLH or Ortiz? I doubt a real Mexican like Marquez, Barrera, Morales would quit in the way DLH, Ortiz quit. A true Mexican would die in the ring than quit on his stool. I guess then that Julio Cesar Chavez Sr wasn't a true Mexican. He quit in his corner in the second DLH fight. All this talk is bullspit. Ortiz didn't do himself any favors quitting like that, but Oscar got the crap beat out of him and there was no point in his continuing.

I swear you guys need to rewatch the fight Ortiz is getting unfair blame here his own corner should have stopped the fight he was getting hit clean the whole 6 round the guy couldn't see any punches coming thats not quiting

Dlh and Morales if you want to say they quit had every right to... Both were past it anyway. Ortiz should not have quit imo, but...in a fight, if you think your health is on the line, and quit, it is better to do that and fight another day then get ruined. Ortiz just has to prove himself all over again. He was thrown in with a lion and he still needed seasoning.

Ortiz was fighting blind and the doctor would have stopped the fight anyway

Oritz wasn't a weight drained part-time fighter. Ortiz is a young guy who had everything to prove. And he quit in a fight he could have won. I'd say that's worse.