So I trained at my boxing gym. This is what my trainer told me

I hope you ain't lying again G-man... I don't know if I should believe this because he said he fought in an amateur fight and got his ass kicked. And then he ended up admitting it was a lie... :nonono: Maybe he says that he gets his ass beat to make his stories sound so believable. But if it is true then smh at your trainer throwing you into a sparring match your first day. :nonono:

The problem with most people who try to incorporate Toney's defense, is, they do what Toney does cause they have seen Toney do it, not cause they understand why he does it, you have to know, why!, your making a particularly move before you make it, thats why people get themselves into trouble. Also, you have to counter when you make them miss, dont let them just keep banging away without throwing, you need to make them wary of their own defense, that your still allowed to hit them, A lot of people have this idea that sitting their putting one arm across your chest, one hand to the side of your face is an auto Toney defense, its not, the whole basis of Mayweather, Toney, McCallum's defense, whether you think they differ from each other, is good upperbodymovement, great counter punching ability, when! you make them miss. In short, you have to be a smart fighter to emulate these kinda style, you need to be thinking 3 steps ahead of the opponent, like where im gonna move if!! i miss, where am i gonna be when i roll out etc etc .

I wish i still box, I fought as an amatuer for a while but i have to pay bills so stopped training, But yeah doing the shoulder roll can leave your body exposure if you dont know how to execute it.

first time i went to the gym i played with a former amatuer champion gave'em the ole' look away, jab roy jones loves so much some vicous bodyshots and in the beggining could'nt get my jab to the body like i wanted and kept lowblowing him, so he had to wear a cup anyway, point of the story is i won those 3 rounds 3-0 when i hit the bag or the mitts everyone was all "eh no way man, you've boxed before, dont lie to me" im like "nah man, i never boxed before, first day" everyday for the next 6 weeks was domination in everyround even broke a couple of noses except that one time against a southpaw for the first time that i had'nt realised was a southpaw......i dont wanna talk about it :nonono:

haha, i love it when a new person joins our gym thinking he's a already a pro and tries to shoulder roll and potshot. theyre all the same. The coach always yells at them while theyre dancing around with their hands at their chest, "learn how to box first and keep your ****in hands up, this aint 24-7". a bunch of clowns these days...

but he said i gotta work on my power. that i make ivan calderon look like george foreman son. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

:lol1: I tried the shoulder roll the first time I sparred too but quickly got off the ropes and ran... In my gym we spar with 16 oz gloves...most of us train with 12...so that felt kinda weird...it was hard for me to throw any combos and I got fatigued after 1 round... Second time I sparred I took an ass beating...I got hit in the nose a bunch of times...I thought I was bleeding cuz I felt liquid right below my nose but it was just snot... Everyone says I got a good chin:lol1: Don't wanna get hit like that anymore tho

ah)) I rarely took part in boxing, back in amateurs we had few tournaments in boxing between boxers and thai-b. i doubt i have any boxing vids, may be at my father's house.. back when i was 12-13 )) wouldnt be interesting) Tomorrow though, i can find for you short team vids from 08 W.C. Appreciate it boss, and also good luck with your career as well.

I found your Maui Thai fight which was a nice first round ko but I couldnt find any of your boxing fights. ah)) I rarely took part in boxing, back in amateurs we had few tournaments in boxing between boxers and thai-b. i doubt i have any boxing vids, may be at my father's house.. back when i was 12-13 )) wouldnt be interesting) Tomorrow though, i can find for you short team vids from 08 W.C.

as long as its technical sparring, not survival)) 1 more example, in US sparring, basicly means fighting. back in soviet school we sparr 20% of power and 100% technick. this way i agree, beginners Shall sparr and learn something new for them. anyways, i just had a long flight to US yesterday and little bit tired. im out for tonight, have a good night man Nice talking to you man. Good luck with your career.

Well when you put it like that then I absolutely agree. I thought you were referring simply about skill level without factoring in experience. I do think however it's a good experience for beginners to spar with a much more experienced fighter who doesnt take advantage of the fact just so they can see the difference in conditioning and skill level and have a tangible goal to strive for. as long as its technical sparring, not survival)) 1 more example, in US sparring, basicly means fighting. back in soviet school we sparr 20% of power and 100% technick. this way i agree, beginners Shall sparr and learn something new for them. anyways, i just had a long flight to US yesterday and little bit tired. im out for tonight, have a good night man

I found your Maui Thai fight which was a nice first round ko but I couldnt find any of your boxing fights.

beginners train with beginners, pros getting ready for tournaments(championships) with other pros. for this case you have Trainer for beginners.. that tells them what to do etc, and main coach for professionals. i can't imagine myself or any1 else sparring with professional at their 1st day/month/year. may be in boxing.. . thai-box though, little bit different. but I respect your opinion, every1 rolls the way they prefer. Well when you put it like that then I absolutely agree. I thought you were referring simply about skill level without factoring in experience. I do think however it's a good experience for beginners to spar with a much more experienced fighter who doesnt take advantage of the fact just so they can see the difference in conditioning and skill level and have a tangible goal to strive for.

Yeah, it takes LOTS of practice to master the Philly shell defense. It takes a lot of timing to calculate every punch and keep your hand in a position where you aren't leaving something open.. One bad move and you're pretty much opening yourself for flush body shots, and if those don't make you fold, they'll at least make you drop your hands so they can go upstairs and finish you off. But as your trainer said, the first thing you want to do is get into shape. That'll help with your overall speed, power, reflexes, etc. You gotta make sure they're top notch to reach your full potential. As for the knockout loss, stuff like that happens all the time. I almost did a Cannonball Cintron out of the ring after taking a combination when I first started boxing lol But how you learn from it is what's important. I guarantee that if you ever try the Philly shell again, you won't leave your ribs open because of that experience lol

I seriously disagree with that. You dont train with guys that dont know what they're doing because you wont learn anything that way. You should always seek to spar with a more skilled opponent. The only way sparring with a more skilled opponent becomes useless is if they always go for the knockout...which then defeats the purpose of sparring at all. beginners train with beginners, pros getting ready for tournaments(championships) with other pros. for this case you have Trainer for beginners.. that tells them what to do etc, and main coach for professionals. i can't imagine myself or any1 else sparring with professional at their 1st day/month/year. may be in boxing.. . thai-box though, little bit different. but I respect your opinion, every1 rolls the way they prefer.

Enrike Gogohiya, team Captain-) i posted few of my fights awhile ago to mangler. only few people know me on this forum. i rarely post Thanks. Looking at the majority of the bull**** posted its understandable why people rarely post. Anyway I can get some of your fights?

lol you are beginner and already sparring. that is why i never fkn train while im in US. and trust me.. you won't ever have a pro fight.. unless you don't care having a brain damage during your trainings. don't get me wrong though. when i came to the gym in US, 1st what the coach asked, if i want to fight on Friday night, sorry for my russian language but i told him to **** himself and let him know, that i never trained before, even though the year before in 08 i took gold in World Championship. My point is.. is useless to enforce beginners sparr against more skilled guys in the gym. most of the people that start training in my gym dont have blood on their face for 1-2 years for sure. good luck with your trainigns, though I seriously disagree with that. You dont train with guys that dont know what they're doing because you wont learn anything that way. You should always seek to spar with a more skilled opponent. The only way sparring with a more skilled opponent becomes useless is if they always go for the knockout...which then defeats the purpose of sparring at all.

You won the 08 World Championship? Whats your name? if you dont mind me asking Enrike Gogohiya, team Captain-) i posted few of my fights awhile ago to mangler. only few people know me on this forum. i rarely post

what plays in my imagination from what youre telling is you were busy depending, rolling, deflecting those attacks on your upper and you forgot to look after your sides and body and you took your eyes off from your opponent. prolly you were imagining being floyd or toney and in between those moments youre like "oh man, im good" then you missed your opponent switching to your body. thats split seconds but still very much anticipated. now whats the lesson from it all? IMHO, never spend all the time thinking how well youll do, defending, attacking but also how your opponent will react. like what happened to you, you should have anticipated when you shut him out upstairs he will naturally go elsewhere and look for where you are vulnerable. what happened was probably his plan, hell attacked you upstairs and when you reacts and gets busy there he suddenly switched... boom! down you go, he just set a trap on you. boxing is not only about attacking and defending, it is also, planning anticipating, baiting, trapping. its also a mind game, so when you stepped atop the ring again be sharp be alert. when you experiment with anything like philly shell defence you should also have a back up plan, do not just stand there forever it doesn't work that long, learn to clinch, hold or move away if you cannot counter to stop the onslaught. practice the defence yes but one step at a time. remember even if its just sparring you still can get hurt. like i said be sharp be alert, focus.

So we hit the heavybag and skipping rope, Then lastly we went to sparring. I used my self-taught shoulder roll-philly shell when i was against the ropes and i tried to emulate james toney to a tea! The guy tried going up stairs on me and i blocked and rolled all those then he took 2 shots to the body and i was down for the count LOL. Man that sucked. Then the trainer told me "Son i dont want you to ever use that chicken sh1t move, That can get you hurt if you dont use it effectivly" Man that sucked. The guy is just an ametur fighter and he knocked my ass to the canvas and i outweighed him by 30 lbs. But he said "Son you got alot of potential, if you get in shape do everything i fkn tell you...maybe,just maybe you get a pro bout one of these days" So thats a plus! Good advice. People I train with try to emulate Floyd all the time. It's annoying. Keep at it man. Find a good iPod playlist too for your runs, they can make all the difference.