Paul Williams deserves respect. Hes not fighting tailor made fighters.

i think the most vital asset williams has is his fighting spirit he was being outboxed by martinez but his determination to win the fight was very impressive his conditioning also must be exceptional for him to throw that many punches of course he has flaws but his grit and determination should be admired that and he talks like he really wants to beat the **** out of you which is always good lol

I can understand where you are getting at Burner. But the thing that is turning people against him including me is the fact he seems unwilling to clear up a controversial win. Could you imagine the question marks that would hover over guys like Floyd if he didn't rematch Castillo, or Dawson if he didn't rematch Johnson, or Pac if he didn't fight JMM for a second time (at least)? And it's not like Williams chose to fight these guys by choice. Martinez was a last minute replacement who was viewed as a stepping stone when they first fought. HBO is laying the hammer down with Williams to either fight Martinez again or fight Dzinziruk like a couple other people mentioned. Dude Williams offered Martinez two rematches that HE turned down. So why are you acting like Paul is scared of him? I dont get that. You didnt say NOTHING when Martinez turned those fights down.

I don't get the dick riding of Paul Williams at all, the guy has done nothing special to merit all this attention or "respect." The biggest issue with his boxing ability is that he is 6'3" yet leans over so far to be aggressive and have a high output he nearly loses any size advantage to anyone 5'10" plus. He is also so busy throwing 100+ punches he gets hit just as much and cleanly as Margarito. He's slow as dirt, he doesn't give you any angles and he stands right in front of you. His balance and footwork are terrible as well, and as someone stated all he has going for him is size and stamina. I also saw someone mention that Manny only wins because of his "speed" and "power" and you have to work with what you have. I completely agree with that, however, Manny had problems with guys when all he had was power and speed, he didn't become the current Manny until his technique improved. Essentially all Williams has going for him is size (which can't be taught) and stamina. But we can forget I even typed all that because all that really matters is that after he lost to Quintana, Williams had no problem taking that rematch. However, now that he won a fight that could have gone either way, he is doing his hardest to avoid the fight at all costs. To make matters worse I have seen ZERO improvement from him fight to fight. In fact, I think he looked better against Margarito than he has in any fight after. Meanwhile, Martinez just beat Pavlik who IMO is not only more powerful but better than Cintron and if Kermit hadn't jumped out of the ring Paul was well on his way to losing that fight as well. I've said all this about Paul and still haven't even brought up the fact that he is a middleweight calling out Manny/Floyd (WW's) and to make it even more laughable, if these guys were even entertaining the idea of fighting him once they ask what was you gate and ratings numbers in your last fight Paul? IDK what the ratings were, but only 300 people came to watch his fight. Paul Williams isn't "the most feared man in boxing" he's simply the least watched and thats why he can't get fights. He's not any good and he is going make Manny/Floyd lose money at best, not make any.

No Ceilings I've explained this in numerous threads numerous times no dis respect but you shud know by now why Williams gets the hate he recieves.. Just look at Pirog he gets ONE win ONE win over an overrated inexperinced glass chinned hype job who got rocked by Ishe Smith and the white ppl and europeans go batshit crazy over him Williams on the other hand has fought top Opposition for years Margarito, Qunitana, Martinez, Winky, hell he even wanted to fight Pavlik back when he was being overrated. Pirog has fought Danny Jacobs......end of story If Pirog was Black and Williams was White/Latino we'd be seeing a completely different story here on boxingshit.com Human-kind (especially whites and latinos) have been designed to value the messenger over the message so dnt any1 try to argue this.... You do realize that Burner picked Pirog to win, and has shown him much respect. He did not go overboard, but showed him the respect he deserved...Last time I checked, Burner is not white or Euro. Besides, you still here? Why don't you try leading by example, and kicking rocks to your own forum?

I can understand where you are getting at Burner. But the thing that is turning people against him including me is the fact he seems unwilling to clear up a controversial win. Could you imagine the question marks that would hover over guys like Floyd if he didn't rematch Castillo, or Dawson if he didn't rematch Johnson, or Pac if he didn't fight JMM for a second time (at least)? And it's not like Williams chose to fight these guys by choice. Martinez was a last minute replacement who was viewed as a stepping stone when they first fought. HBO is laying the hammer down with Williams to either fight Martinez again or fight Dzinziruk like a couple other people mentioned.

i'm tired of hbo's bullsh** as well. how are you going to force one of the few true warriors left in boxing to fight in a division he obviously doesn't want to fight in? yet you let mayweather fight whoever the fuk he wants, whenever he wants and for basically how much money he wants. the same can be said for pacquiao and the klits. that kind of double standard is sickening! instead of sticking it to arum and forcing pac to fight either mayweather, mosley or williams; they accept clottey and margarito. lol! double standard bulls***! This is a great post,bout time someone realized what's going down!!The only thing that Floyd or Manny has over the Punisher,or Martinez is superstar status,that's why Manny is fighting Margarito for a 154 pound title at a catchweight of 150!!Fighting for a catchweight title isn't usually this bad,but when both fighters aren't champions,then it's bull$hit!!If Manny or Floyd were these so called elite fighters on this different level that no one else is on,THEN THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REASON WHY EITHER 1 COULDN'T GIVE THE PUNISHER THE BEATING THAT THESE ELITE LEVEL FIGHTERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO AT 147!!

why do people on here contradict themselves all the time? the most contradictory are the ones with the most posts in the shortest time span.

fukkin gay fish. lol

yeah cuz barrera 1(prime), marquez x2(prime) are tailor made opponents for pac. mayweather is also tailor made for pac. too bad he refused to fight pac.

P4P the most feared man on the plant. He will decimate that Euro fighter and punish Martinez again. Williams ducks nobody unlike Many so called great euro fighters of the past who hide in their country fighting bums and winning hometown decisions. http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRa6lP7cKzhPJPjUe1L81kA5RHe1XFH33PWpiVT4RtkKdczkd0&t=1&usg=__U6FaC5-bnc9e-D2VGLQtia8Yv7o= http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQy7Y15qo6B1Hwaaj_OHXV2SGb0yjF12HDUwztr3zHej--plDY&t=1&usg=__m4YMONHQZtyMY2HwSB4E9G87GG8= http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0GPCQJDu_-6QfM-9gIgDi9gH6Hd-1x3ALmgqBjPIhB-Pf044&t=1&usg=__F-QXOX5KR2DY-IdFNpKnwX_QD34= LOL, Williams looked like a whooped puppy after Martinez punished the punisher's face in that fight. Williams doesn't want to fight either guy...he wants to beat up on 147 pound guys.....most feared man, lol- more like most scared man

He was just in the ring 2 months ago. Sorry Reed. My bad. I was always hearing that he is under consideration for some fight but was always scratched. Got the impression he was inactive long enough. I forgot he just fought.

When a local church gathering draws more people than you, then of course you have to face any and everybody. Paul Williams couldn't draw flies...even if he was covered in dog sh1t.

No doubt Paul has some skills but It would be interesting to see how far he would have went if he was the average ww size.

If Paul gets desperate then I guess the Martinez fight is doable, Are you kidding? The first one was a fight of the year candidate and it's 3million dollars and the Middleweight title what else do you want? You Paul Williams fans would be happy as pigs in shitt if the guy never fights again and spends the next 10 years talking about how Floyd and Pac avoided him. If there is one thing we can agree on its that a Floyd or Pac fight is a pipedream at best.

I'm a fan but it has been a long time of inactivity. IMO, he should stop waiting for the $$$ fights. It's clear that Pac/Floyd don't have him in their radar. He was just in the ring 2 months ago.

I'm a fan but it has been a long time of inactivity. IMO, he should stop waiting for the $$$ fights. It's clear that Pac/Floyd don't have him in their radar.

But why would HBO force him to fight either Martinez or the other guy? Why is Andre Berto not doable? Easy. One. HBO wants the Martinez fight for Williams because it was a highly entertaining fight. Something they can pull in a lot of viewers with. The highlights from the first fight alone will pull in the viewership for it. Two. DiBella, Berto's promoter will never let Andre fight Williams. He's said it so himself right on btalk.com.

William is willing to fight anyone if the money is right, I don't think he gives a damn if a fighter is faster or a little slick, William feels that his work rate will even everything out and ultimately give him the win and it usually does

He most likely will have to fight Dzinziruk or Martinez next. And they both present match up issues that Paul struggles with. They are both lefties. While guys like Pacquiao are avoiding tough style matchups Williams will be back at it again with another lefty. Quintana twice. Martinez. Martinez or Dzinziruk. Show him some damn respect around here. Pwill has got my respect, he isnt the most technically sound fighter, not the most naturally gifted athlete, but he has a great work ethic and would fight anyone from the midget wrestling champion to king konh. Pwill is one of my favorites.

Wow, what a thread. My two cents, I think Paul should get more credit for his accomplishments, he's fought some big names already, so the question of being "scared" is out of the question. It sounds like people are getting irritated with his current stance, heading south to WW. I disagree with the move myself, but I still respect the cat for what he's done. Which I believe to be the point of Burner's thread. IMO, Paul is at a "cross road" of economic feasibility. In this case he is trying to posture himself to get more money. For whatever reason, Williams is looking for a fight with Manny or Floyd. It's unrealistic, yes. Can you get upset? No. He's doing what any person would do go for the money. For the record THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with that. If a fighter can boil down to make weight then it's perfectly fine! Many before him have done it, and many after him will do the same. Using height and reach as a rebuttle is upsurd. Martinez poses a big threat, and should be treated as such. I'm sure there is hesitancy behind this fight, but it stands to be a big pay day for Williams, he's just trying to make more for the risk he is going to take. Now, I'm a punisher fan, and I will be the first to say that he should be rematching with Martinez. I also will disclaim that P-Will needs to get his sh*t together and tighten up his defense, use the height and jab away. However, P-Will likes to tussle and starts brawling, as oppose to boxing. P-Will's pressure/volume style makes him vunerable, but exciting to watch. Why give the kid so much grief? Whether you thought he won, lost, or got a draw against Martinez; he put up a great fight, and THAT commands respect.