Can Roach and Ariza really change any boxer or...

if u want to be a better fighter get roach as a trainer and if u want to be a shit fighter just get floyd mayweather sr as a trainer.

Give JCC jr some credit. He was a lazy bum and didn't take the sport seriously. He seems to have worked hard for this fight. Yes Freddie and Ariza can change fighters but the fighters have to be willing to put in the hard work and change themselves. What Freddie and Ariza bring is a tough routine and lots of discipline. Freddie doesn't like people that mess around and are lazy

thers also a boxer who gets trained by roach with a record of won 0 + lost 41 (KO 40) + drawn 0 and hes ripped as fuk

I chose C because that seemed to be the most appropriate. I think that it is more a case that the guys choosing to train under Roach are guys that are champion material to begin with. They have seen the success that Pac has had and that he achieved this through hard work and dedication under Roach's tutelage. Roach calls guys out when they don't step up to the plate such as Guillermo Rigondeaux, who is definitely a quality fighter but did not put in the work that Roach though he needed to so he was quietly moved out of the camp. All these guys that Roach trains were champs before they trained under he and Ariza but just needed to be pushed to bring out their best. The best boxers recognize the best trainers and seek them out. Have you been to the Wild Card Gym? Top notch sparring partners make all the difference in the world and Wild Card has the best. You play with the best you get results.

Ariza implants Saiyan genes into Wild Card Gym fighters. Then Roach puts them in the hyperbolic time chamber lol!

Can Roach & Ariza really change any boxer… yes and no! as with previous comments, some of the boxers are champ material to begin with. The combo of training and nourishment makes a difference. Ariza, to his credit is a highly educated person who choose to utilize his acquired skills in boxing. From what was read, the so-called ‘shakes’ are tailored for each individual. To get in the wild card gym is that not easy. Promoters who invested on their potential assets are likely the ones calling Roach. An ordinary individual like me is never invited. I like the shakes though…

Roach is a GREAT TRAINER NO DOUBT HOWEVER, look at the fighters his fighters are looking good against lets be honest here, Roach fighters are signed to the best Match Makers in Boxing Khan with Golden Boy, Chavez with Top Rank (Pacman is on another level so he is not included) when Khan beats Maidana, Alexander, Bradley and that chin really get tested again he doesn't buckle then Roach gets credit for his work with Khan and until Chavez does that against top opponents in his division then I am not buying the "I beat John Duddy so I am good now" HYPE, do that against Cotto or Margarito or Angulo or Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams then Roach gets the credit for working with Chavez ^^^^^^ This.

Roach is a GREAT TRAINER NO DOUBT HOWEVER, look at the fighters his fighters are looking good against lets be honest here, Roach fighters are signed to the best Match Makers in Boxing Khan with Golden Boy, Chavez with Top Rank (Pacman is on another level so he is not included) when Khan beats Maidana, Alexander, Bradley and that chin really get tested again he doesn't buckle then Roach gets credit for his work with Khan and until Chavez does that against top opponents in his division then I am not buying the "I beat John Duddy so I am good now" HYPE, do that against Cotto or Margarito or Angulo or Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams then Roach gets the credit for working with Chavez

the secret is fried cat made in japan...

None of the above.

I'm just glad Teri Tom was mentioned in this thread. Some people think it's just Roach and Ariza behind the scenes.

Are they better managers than actual trainer/conditioning coaches and they pick the right fights to make their clients look like they went through a transformation? Do they own like a Hyperbolic Time Chamber in the Wild Card Gym?(The fighter goes in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to train for what feels like one year for them but in reality they were just in there for 1 day..so they get 1 year of training, in 1 day) Or can they really change any bum fighter and turn them in Top P4P material? I'm not hating, what do you guys think of the Roach and Ariza duo? serious question guys. you are stupid if you think roach and ariza changed chavez jr. they made improvements of him as a fighter not changed.

How in the world beating a Duddy makes him and his corner impressive? Cotto beats Foreman and still his shot.. Chavez beats Duddy, then all of a sudden his corner is awesome.. Thank heaven above Chavez did'nt KO'ed Duddy, or boxingscene would have been making statues of Chavez Jr. :dance: :dance: :dance:

haha, no ****in shit that would be a metaphor for steroids. and you think what he said wasnt sarcasm? hahaha, this is too much now Sometimes I can't believe what the hell I'm reading on these boards. Common sense has been lacking with many of these posters as of late.

i think when roach gets them there ready to give boxing 100%. not everyone has what it takes but anybody can get much better when they give every part of what they do every thing they have. maybe roach wont work with you if you dont.attention to details is the key,diet,strenth training,boxing,sleep,there all links in the same chain.

The answer is all of the above. Roach is a good trainer. Ariza is most likely a good conditioning coach, and a lot of fighters don't really have conditioning coaches and prefer to train the old-school way. And there is some very good match making going on between Arum and Roach. They get their guys in the ring with the right opponents, for the most part. There are few fighters who really fight everyone, because promoters don't want to risk their fighters losing. The promoters are pretty much the ones ruining boxing, keeping us from seeing the matches we want to see.

You can't say that. You'll be a flomo and your an idiot because that will be assumed as a metaphor for steroids. :nonono: /sarcasm. haha, no ****in shit that would be a metaphor for steroids. and you think what he said wasnt sarcasm? hahaha, this is too much now

The secret is Senzu beans lol!!!!!!!!! You can't say that. You'll be a flomo and your an idiot because that will be assumed as a metaphor for steroids. :nonono: /sarcasm.

The secret is Senzu beans lol!!!!!!!!!

It's all good, you wrote the words not me and it's the net, so I really don't care about you. oook that one went way over your head