Are K2 so dominant because their so tall, not so much their skills?

They dominate because they know how to use their physical gifts and compliment them with real skills. Of course they would not be the same fighters if they were shorter. You take away an advantage of any fighter anytime in history and it would affect them. The key about being a successful fighter is is taking advantage of your natural gifts and making them work for you. The K bros know how to do it. Yeah it's a bit like saying a prime RJJ wouldn't have been as good without his insane speed and reflexes. Yeah, no kidding. Wlad's performance against the equally sized Ray Austin where he got him out of there in under 2 rounds without throwing a single right hand showed me he's not just tall. Ali was taller and heavier (and quicker) than most of his opponents, doesn't mean he's not the greatest HW of all time.

They dominate because they know how to use their physical gifts and compliment them with real skills. Of course they would not be the same fighters if they were shorter. You take away an advantage of any fighter anytime in history and it would affect them. The key about being a successful fighter is is taking advantage of your natural gifts and making them work for you. The K bros know how to do it.

Lewis had a far better range of skills, he didn't just rely on his jab and stay out of range the whole fight, he could actually mix it up. Believe me, I'm not saying they are as good as Lewis, just saying the Klitschkos have a similar understanding of how to use their size to control the range the fight is fought at.

Lewis had a weaker left jab, Klitschko goes nuts with his and uses it primarily in the early rounds just because of how much of a serious weapon it is. His jab is like a 2x4 coming out of a basement window. The way he uses it so frequently likely has something to do with how many times he's been caught and hurt because he wasn't using the jab the way a guy with a glass chin should. He fights with the jab because he's scared of anything coming back, like Steward told him in the corner he's jab, jab, step back.

Lewis had a weaker left jab, Klitschko goes nuts with his and uses it primarily in the early rounds just because of how much of a serious weapon it is. His jab is like a 2x4 coming out of a basement window. The way he uses it so frequently likely has something to do with how many times he's been caught and hurt because he wasn't using the jab the way a guy with a glass chin should.

I was thinking, are the K2 bros so dominant in the HW division because they have such a big height advantage, Isnt it just like a welterweight fighting a Light heavy? Im starting to think that their huge height advantage allows them to control and dominate their fights. Obviously they both have good skills, but is the fact they're so tall explain their dominance? If they were both 6' 2" or 6' 3" would they be able to dominate the division? im not sure they would and no k2 or haye nuthuggers replies wanted, i want impartial unbiased opinions. They've been fighting for a long time, they have lifetimes of experience...I think their height is a good variable in why Klitschko fights the way he does, however if W Klitschko was 5 ft 11 or 6 ft flat, I feel he would've still became a great boxer...

I agree, and it also helps that there are no fighters in the heavyweight division with the skills to get inside of the range that the Klitschkos dictate. It's a combination of their size and how well their skills and style complement that size, like Lennox Lewis did. Lewis had a far better range of skills, he didn't just rely on his jab and stay out of range the whole fight, he could actually mix it up.

It obviously helps that they're tall and rangy, but they also know how to use their dimensions and control the pace and range. Other fights (Nicolay Valuev, Gerry Cooney, Mike White) have been taller and rangier than their opponents but didn't know how to properly use it to their advantage. If they didn't have this advantage, I imagine that their trainers would train them to fight in a different manner. I agree, and it also helps that there are no fighters in the heavyweight division with the skills to get inside of the range that the Klitschkos dictate. It's a combination of their size and how well their skills and style complement that size, like Lennox Lewis did.

no one the klitschkos size are as skilled as them ever. Fixed that for you tua.

These guys would have done well in any era. Some people just hate because there hasn't been dominant white heavyweights in a long time, and they would like to keep it that way. Some white athletes are hyped up simply for being white, but the Klits are legit.

I honestly think that if David Haye was the same size as the Kiltschkos he'd absolutely destroy them. No doubt. The reach and height advantage means they can jab their opponent while being out of range. The Klitschko's whole fighting style is based around their height and reach.

I was thinking, are the K2 bros so dominant in the HW division because they have such a big height advantage, Isnt it just like a welterweight fighting a Light heavy? Im starting to think that their huge height advantage allows them to control and dominate their fights. Obviously they both have good skills, but is the fact they're so tall explain their dominance? If they were both 6' 2" or 6' 3" would they be able to dominate the division? im not sure they would and no k2 or haye nuthuggers replies wanted, i want impartial unbiased opinions. Well, that is true but most giant fighters aren't coordinated enough to benefit from their size, the K2 are. That's allot of credit for them. When you are that big and powerful your jab equals a full force right hook from a normal fighter, that's why so many of their opponents seem to spend the entire fight going back, because of the jab - it hurts like a power punch. Still, just being coordinated when you are that big is very rare, that's why they are good and people like Valuev suck in comparison. The skills are basic but effective.

Go watch Eddie Chambers completely dominate undefeated 6'7 250 lbs Alexander Dimitrenko. Then go watch Wladimir Klitschko completely dominate every round and brutally KO Eddie Chambers. The Klitschkos are so dominant because they have excellent skills. Frazier beat Ali and Foreman beat Frazier, so there's no way Ali could ever beat Foreman right? Oh wait ..

I honestly think that if David Haye was the same size as the Kiltschkos he'd absolutely destroy them.

Their height and reach definitely makes them harder to hit.

The Klitschkos are something special, 'cause they are a) well trained and don't drop off between fights b) among the largest 10% of the division c) but despite their size they are fast enough to match the speed of smaller boxers - they appear slow, but in reality they are fast enough that they are rarely hit at all d) both developed a fighting style which works for them. Wlad covers his average chin by his jab/holding/leaning back defense, which has not been really been bested since Peter (2005). Vitali seems to lumber in the ring, but despite low hands and his size, he hasn't been really troubled since the Lewis fight (2003). There has not been another boxer since Lewis of a comparable size (6'4''+), who could combine size with speed & power & brains. And the talented guys out there either lack professionalism (Solis, Arreola), skill/speed (Dimitrenko), size (Chambers, Chagaev), heart (Povetkin, Haye), or several (Valuev) to become a true champion.

combination of both. size don't mean shit without skills. no one the klitschkos size are as skilled as them right now. no one with close to the skill level as the klitschkos have the size to compete with them.

The Klitschkos are dominant primarily because the division is absolute garbage, then skills, then size. Basically they're the best out of a bad lot by a large margin. To their credit, they do work at staying in shape and refining their skills, which is probably unnecessary given their level of competition. However, were they in an era with prime Holyfield, Lennox, etc, neither one would be holding a belt.

Nikolai Valuev says Hi. thats true, but im saying are their skills great or just good? Valuev had poor skills

It obviously helps that they're tall and rangy, but they also know how to use their dimensions and control the pace and range. Other fights (Nicolay Valuev, Gerry Cooney, Mike White) have been taller and rangier than their opponents but didn't know how to properly use it to their advantage. If they didn't have this advantage, I imagine that their trainers would train them to fight in a different manner.