Urine TKOs blood in Nevada boxing drug testing debate

So the contractual agreement on the blood test is private and NSAC was not involve. Can the contract be made public? I am not saying there is one but since the contract is private, then there is a suspicion that there might be a final blood test date. Tygart can say there is none but we need to see the contract.

LOL I swear man, it's getting to the point where I can care less about this fight. Tygart sounds exactly like someone who's trying to sell you on something. C'mon man, he's telling the committee that he did the 18 days cut off for Mosley and Mayweather because they weren't suspicious or that they'd be afraid to get caught anyway? WTF is that? I agree with the article that Tygart himself should've brought a Dr with him who's doing the tests to provide some data with their claim of providing better suited testing. They caught 1 guy in the last 8 years according to the article? SMH...

Nevada is basically saying to the Boxers, do what ever you want just don't let us catch you, the Boxers know when testing is coming and/or they can come in and test when ever they are ready all sports need stronger testing lol at some of Tygart's though WTF!

Urine TKOs blood in Nevada boxing drug testing debate June 9, 9:32 PM The United States Anti Doping Agency sent the wrong guy to persuade the Nevada State Athletic Commission that completely random blood testing is a must for the huge Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao super bout. I listened to over three hours of testimony over a telephone hookup Wednesday presided over by NSAC Chairwoman Pat Lundvall and including the other four governor appointed members of the Silver State's boxing board. Travis Tygart, lawyer and publicity flack for the USADA, seemed to me to be a loser of a "split decision" to two speakers who preceded him, longtime Olympic boxing physician and Las Vegas resident Dr. Robert Voy and NSAC physician David Watson. Need to know "background" to all this is that the Nevada interests are still "frosted" that the blood testing arrangements for the May 1 Mayweather-Sugar Shane Mosley bout in Las Vegas were strictly a private, contractual matter btween two Golden Boy promoter fighters and did not involve the state boxing board in any manner or form. It's my understanding that only the always negative results and test dates were casually reported to Nevada. Can you say let;s go around the NSAC? The testimony of the two doctors, taken in whole and in part, favored totally random urine testing as the most practical and, more important, most efficient way of deterring Pacman, Mayweather and any other boxer who might seek to use banned substances in connection with a boxing match. Try as he might, and he was certainly quite glib, Tygart did not seem to persuade the commissioners that BOTH blood and urine random test must be put into effect for what Tygart kept repeating as "the protection for clean athletes." Nevada boxing commission Medical Chief, Dr. David Watson (Life Photo) If it was a battle between blood versus urine, I'd say urine was the winner but we'll have to see what the budget strained boxing board does next. Just thinking out loud, but the commission's less than overwhelming response to highly critical Tygart might be a reason for the Pacquiao side to push even harder for a Nov. 13 but, conversely, cause the Mayweather side to seek to delay the inevitable bout into next year. A fourth speaker was New Jersey boxing lawyer Patrick English who put in what came off as a suggestion that Nevada should enlist UCLA's highly respected Olympic drug expert, Dr. Donald Caitlin, to reform and/or expand its drug testing protocol. English did point out that that some experts are scientifcally uncomfortable because the USADA medical records have not been "published or peer reviewed." Certainly, inserting Dr. Caitlin into the Big Fight mix is a solid idea. Unlike Tygart, he doesn't come off as an advocate for Mayweather and an enemy of Pacquiao. He would be regarded as properly neutral and impartial as to both boxers. The banned susbtances most often mentioned were HGH and EPO. Voy, former Chief Medical Office of the USOC, said current blood testing as to HGH is "ureliable and impractical." He also said, "HGH is out there and there's not much we can do about it." As far as EPO testing, Voy said, "I'm of the opinion that EPO is not a performance enhancer in boxing or that it gives you more endurace although that is the perception." Regarding urine testing, Voy said it should be random and "closer to the event, the better." Voy also said that while tiny amounts of blood are drawn for testing "it can be dangerous." That was theme Dr. Watson chimed in on, saying, "I believe that urine is the best substance to test. I agree with Dr. Voy that urine (random testing) is what we should require and that blood is not necessary. "I agree with Dr. Voy that there are theoretical and real risks to blood testing one of which is a (boxer getting) a hematoma on the elbow or a clot from missing a vein. There are also HIV and Hepatitis C risks." Dr. Watson said blood testing should be curtailed "within three to four weeks before (a fight) so that the hemotoma risk does not put a fighter at a disadvantage." Dr. Watson even patted himself and the commission on their collective backs, saying, "We're doing a great job." Las Vegan Dr. Robert Voy is former Chief Medical Office of the United States Olmypic Committee Tygart could not agree less even to the point of some verbal sparring with Lundvall. She asked Tygart if blood testing is "the gold standard for everything." "You have to collect both," an exasperated Tygart said. Tygart defended his agency's not taking any blood from either Mayweather or opponent Shane Mosley after they had prefight tests 17 and 18 days before they May 1 bout. He said the boxers would be afraid to cheat because they know USADA could come knocking with their needles at any given time. Tygart took NSAC to task for expression concerns about blood testing expenses although this a climate where Gov. Jim Gibbons has been talking about closing down other state regulatory boards. He then made a financial suggestion which won't play well in the executive casino offices or with boxing promoters, saying taxes from casino revenues and PPV TV boxing could fund the testing completely. "You take one half of one percent of the PPV fees or some of the gaming revenues," Tygart said. Tygart made it clear, as he has in the past, that he thinks Nevada's testing regimen is a joke. "You can do a lot better for the clean athletes. No disrespect, frankly what you do (now) is inadequate. You guys deserve better, you can do better. "It's all about protecting the public, stopping the sportying fraud where athletes cheat to win and also protecting the health and safety of the athletes." Although it was noted that blood testing has caught merely one HGH cheater (a British rugby player) in eight years, Tygart said "in the next few months" a reliable blood test will be available which can nab HGH uses 14 to 21 days after usage. Tygart made the specious argument that some athletes prefer blood tests to giving urine. "Blood can be quicker and you don't have to drop your pants," Tygart said. His mantra was that only blood and urine, completely random testing will effectively police cheaters. "I think you have to have both to have an effective program." Tygart likes to shoot flaming arrows into the Nevada. Then he wonders why they circle their wagon train. Tygart mentioned he could have sent the WADA and USADA chief scientist before the boxing board and would be glad to present those officials in the future. Based on what I heard, the USADA's mistake was sending this prosecutor in the first place. Nevada offered up two doctors and USADA offered its legal beagle-PR chief. Now that's a mismatch. LOL. Digging deep with those lines.

Urine TKOs blood in Nevada boxing drug testing debate June 9, 9:32 PM The United States Anti Doping Agency sent the wrong guy to persuade the Nevada State Athletic Commission that completely random blood testing is a must for the huge Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao super bout. I listened to over three hours of testimony over a telephone hookup Wednesday presided over by NSAC Chairwoman Pat Lundvall and including the other four governor appointed members of the Silver State's boxing board. Travis Tygart, lawyer and publicity flack for the USADA, seemed to me to be a loser of a "split decision" to two speakers who preceded him, longtime Olympic boxing physician and Las Vegas resident Dr. Robert Voy and NSAC physician David Watson. Need to know "background" to all this is that the Nevada interests are still "frosted" that the blood testing arrangements for the May 1 Mayweather-Sugar Shane Mosley bout in Las Vegas were strictly a private, contractual matter btween two Golden Boy promoter fighters and did not involve the state boxing board in any manner or form. It's my understanding that only the always negative results and test dates were casually reported to Nevada. Can you say let;s go around the NSAC? The testimony of the two doctors, taken in whole and in part, favored totally random urine testing as the most practical and, more important, most efficient way of deterring Pacman, Mayweather and any other boxer who might seek to use banned substances in connection with a boxing match. Try as he might, and he was certainly quite glib, Tygart did not seem to persuade the commissioners that BOTH blood and urine random test must be put into effect for what Tygart kept repeating as "the protection for clean athletes." Nevada boxing commission Medical Chief, Dr. David Watson (Life Photo) If it was a battle between blood versus urine, I'd say urine was the winner but we'll have to see what the budget strained boxing board does next. Just thinking out loud, but the commission's less than overwhelming response to highly critical Tygart might be a reason for the Pacquiao side to push even harder for a Nov. 13 but, conversely, cause the Mayweather side to seek to delay the inevitable bout into next year. A fourth speaker was New Jersey boxing lawyer Patrick English who put in what came off as a suggestion that Nevada should enlist UCLA's highly respected Olympic drug expert, Dr. Donald Caitlin, to reform and/or expand its drug testing protocol. English did point out that that some experts are scientifcally uncomfortable because the USADA medical records have not been "published or peer reviewed." Certainly, inserting Dr. Caitlin into the Big Fight mix is a solid idea. Unlike Tygart, he doesn't come off as an advocate for Mayweather and an enemy of Pacquiao. He would be regarded as properly neutral and impartial as to both boxers. The banned susbtances most often mentioned were HGH and EPO. Voy, former Chief Medical Office of the USOC, said current blood testing as to HGH is "ureliable and impractical." He also said, "HGH is out there and there's not much we can do about it." As far as EPO testing, Voy said, "I'm of the opinion that EPO is not a performance enhancer in boxing or that it gives you more endurace although that is the perception." Regarding urine testing, Voy said it should be random and "closer to the event, the better." Voy also said that while tiny amounts of blood are drawn for testing "it can be dangerous." That was theme Dr. Watson chimed in on, saying, "I believe that urine is the best substance to test. I agree with Dr. Voy that urine (random testing) is what we should require and that blood is not necessary. "I agree with Dr. Voy that there are theoretical and real risks to blood testing one of which is a (boxer getting) a hematoma on the elbow or a clot from missing a vein. There are also HIV and Hepatitis C risks." Dr. Watson said blood testing should be curtailed "within three to four weeks before (a fight) so that the hemotoma risk does not put a fighter at a disadvantage." Dr. Watson even patted himself and the commission on their collective backs, saying, "We're doing a great job." Las Vegan Dr. Robert Voy is former Chief Medical Office of the United States Olmypic Committee Tygart could not agree less even to the point of some verbal sparring with Lundvall. She asked Tygart if blood testing is "the gold standard for everything." "You have to collect both," an exasperated Tygart said. Tygart defended his agency's not taking any blood from either Mayweather or opponent Shane Mosley after they had prefight tests 17 and 18 days before they May 1 bout. He said the boxers would be afraid to cheat because they know USADA could come knocking with their needles at any given time. Tygart took NSAC to task for expression concerns about blood testing expenses although this a climate where Gov. Jim Gibbons has been talking about closing down other state regulatory boards. He then made a financial suggestion which won't play well in the executive casino offices or with boxing promoters, saying taxes from casino revenues and PPV TV boxing could fund the testing completely. "You take one half of one percent of the PPV fees or some of the gaming revenues," Tygart said. Tygart made it clear, as he has in the past, that he thinks Nevada's testing regimen is a joke. "You can do a lot better for the clean athletes. No disrespect, frankly what you do (now) is inadequate. You guys deserve better, you can do better. "It's all about protecting the public, stopping the sportying fraud where athletes cheat to win and also protecting the health and safety of the athletes." Although it was noted that blood testing has caught merely one HGH cheater (a British rugby player) in eight years, Tygart said "in the next few months" a reliable blood test will be available which can nab HGH uses 14 to 21 days after usage. Tygart made the specious argument that some athletes prefer blood tests to giving urine. "Blood can be quicker and you don't have to drop your pants," Tygart said. His mantra was that only blood and urine, completely random testing will effectively police cheaters. "I think you have to have both to have an effective program." Tygart likes to shoot flaming arrows into the Nevada. Then he wonders why they circle their wagon train. Tygart mentioned he could have sent the WADA and USADA chief scientist before the boxing board and would be glad to present those officials in the future. Based on what I heard, the USADA's mistake was sending this prosecutor in the first place. Nevada offered up two doctors and USADA offered its legal beagle-PR chief. Now that's a mismatch. dear people copy the first paragraph paste into a google search nuff said as to who wrote it

other than epo or hgh, what other ped that will help a boxer in boxing? Any of the amphetamines group , any of the anabolics in low doses or they will run hot , any of the vasodilaters like Glenbuterol , some of the anti-inflammatorys like Dexamethasone or Prednisolone which amongst other things will dilate capillaries allowing more blood for vital organs and muscle and will stop a bad cut from bleeding like magic , there are many more PEDS used the race guys have tried every thing known to man to make a horse or dog stronger with more stamina and speed , you boys are very narrow minded to what goes on .

I would side with the NSAC had they not been suspected of throwing away failed tests in the past to make sure that the show goes on. I side with the USADA because they will do their job. Any and everyone is subjected to being bribed though.

The speed of light is 299,792,458. I know that because it has been tested, measured and confirmed by the scientific community. I do not have the knowledge or resources to demonstrate it myself. The reason I trust that number is because the scientific community supports it overwhelmingly by consensus. The best drug program in the world is WADA's anti-doping code. The reason I know this is because it is a program built by consensus, and contributed to by the best anti-doping scientists in the world, and supported internationally as the standard for doping test in sport. What Nevada thinks is irrelevant. There is already an overwhelming consensus, whether they choose to take part in it or not. Sometimes you have to trust the experts, and WADA are the experts. By extension, USADA implements WADA's anti-doping code, including all of its standards and protocols. So what is better. Nevada's program, or WADA's? Who gives a shit about Floyd and Pac? If it was athlete A vs athlete B competing in any sport, and either rejected participating in a real testing program, it should raise suspicion. Pac and Floyd had a chance to do something good for the sport, even if the motivation behind demanding the testing was idiotic. Pac got it wrong, and now things are a mess as they always are in boxing. They can still get it right, but the commissions, sanctioning bodies, promoters and fighters have little interest. Since boxing has become a second-tier sport, the public pressure is not the same as it is in baseball, and the government isn't as likely to step in and force them to clean up. Hopefully I'm wrong, since this is becoming a minor sports headline. Oh, and Dr Robert Voy worked as chief medical officer for the United States Olympic Committee back in the 80s, when drug testing was absolutely primitive by todays standards.

The risks talked about are non existant because the Olympics already test their athletes.We havent heard of any such infections.What makes it worse many boxers are now getting pro testing which leaves the Nevada Commission without any respect and eventually they wont have a role in boxing.

all fraud excuses lead to Floyd Mayweather

I don't get why they care so much about EPO and HGH. It's like those are the only two PEDs they know or something. prob just the 2 they think Manny is on :rofl: :rofl:

Go look it up, you dumb f*ck. I'm not your encyclopedia and it's clear you know next to nothing about this topic. I think I've had my fun with kids today. Im a student, your the teacher. You know alot than me. so yeah whats the problem? but yeah if mayweather is using ped, its likely to be epo and hgh for stamina and building muscles. right?

other than epo or hgh, what other ped that will help a boxer in boxing? Go look it up, you dumb f*ck. I'm not your encyclopedia and it's clear you know next to nothing about this topic. I think I've had my fun with kids today.

I don't get why they care so much about EPO and HGH. It's like those are the only two PEDs they know or something. other than epo or hgh, what other ped that will help a boxer in boxing?

Tomorrow's already here for me, dumbass. You've got some great quotables in this thread. Keep it up :lol1: quote it, to remember me by.

So lets see...Landis claims he knows Armstrong cheated, yet Armstrong has passed all these tests. And out of 10,500 athletes at the Olympics 28 were caught? I don't recall the article saying, how many of that whopping percentage of athletes tested positive for either EPO or HGH? Im just curious. I'm curious to think how many people you think were doping. I mean 28 out of 10500 is still a pretty bad number. Maybe more were doping, but the fact 28 tried to cheat is pretty pathetic. They would have gone by without it. Oh and it's not like Landis is a credible source. I mean the dude raised a fund for his innocence...that he admitted later he lied. He lied yesterday, but today he's telling the truth? Is he related to Bob Arum by chance?

That means Random blood testing is very successful as a deterrent doesnt it , or you are assuming that loads of athletes was on PEDS and the test failed which you have no evidence to support , your own result figures say it works at lowering PEDS use in sport . I don't get why they care so much about EPO and HGH. It's like those are the only two PEDs they know or something.

So lets see...Landis claims he knows Armstrong cheated, yet Armstrong has passed all these tests. And out of 10,500 athletes at the Olympics 28 were caught? I don't recall the article saying, how many of that whopping percentage of athletes tested positive for either EPO or HGH? Im just curious. That means Random blood testing is very successful as a deterrent doesnt it , or you are assuming that loads of athletes was on PEDS and the test failed which you have no evidence to support , your own result figures say it works at lowering PEDS use in sport .

you ****ing ass clown. all your masters lies have been proven false and you his loyal lap dog are still defending them. did you or did you not start a thread claiming their was a piss test that copuld detect hgh??? YES. i proved your 3 year old was wrong with several links and you ignored. you sick ****ing animal go **** yourself. you truely ****ing sicken me with your blind loyalty to a man who cant agree to better drug testing because of 3 bullshit ass reasons. superstition=christian faith? sacared of needles=tatoos? blood tests weaken him= little girls in the olympics take these tests and hes had nasty ****y cuts against marquez and moralles. you should be a spokes person for abortion you waste of oxygen! Hey f@ggot u retarded?? pac agreed to the 14 day cut off!! that should be more than enough for Pussy boy. ****face you ain't pacquiao you pussy. So what if he really feels weak about giving blood.?? Everybody is different and it has probably more to do mentally because last time pac lost he gave blood days before the fight against morales. Pussy boy needs to accept that 14 day deal of **** off.

just call it a night man, you been exposed here so much already. maybe tomorrow they wont remember what happened :wave: Tomorrow's already here for me, dumbass. You've got some great quotables in this thread. Keep it up :lol1: