Ali at 38 years old ( vitali's age )

That's a bad example. Who pushing 40 wouldn't look bad against a prime Larry, esp a guy who'd been in wars with punchers like Foreman, Liston, Frazier, Shavers, Norton and Williams and who had Parkinsons to boot? Spinks might be a better example. No way in hell would a prime Ali lose even a single round to "Neon" Leon.

Please don't compare a cruiser/sub-cruiser beating other cruisers/sub-cruisers to a superheavyweight beating other superheavyweights. So what the **** is your problem ?. I was just pointing out a boxer who lasted until he was 50 and was very successful, wasn't comparing him to anyone, and Moore was a Light heavy beating Light heavies then he moved up to be a Heavy beating Heavies with a KO record that far outshines anyone else and always will. What is your problem with pre-90s boxers ?, seems you're butt hurt by them.

Ali is the greatest HW that has ever lived, and has the best resume in the history of boxing, and was the sportsman of the century.

You wrongly assume that Vitali would perform as abysmally as Ali vs Frazier and Norton. Let's compare Vitali to someone who actually has similar hard punch: To Foreman. You know what happened when Foreman met Frazier and Ken Norton, don't you. Norton TKO 2, Frazier TKO5, Frazier TKO2. It would be as easy to beat Frazier and Norton as it was for Foreman. Maybe even easier, since Foreman was only 6'3.5'' and 210+ lbs and Foreman has a lower KOratio (against worse opponents) than Vitali Klitscho. good try. vitali is an accumulation puncher not a one punch puncher like foreman so it wouldn't be as easy. vitali fought better opponents? besides lewis which he lost has he fought anyone close to the level of norton, frazier, lyle, holyfield? oh wait yea he fought chris byrd a light heavyweight and lost that fight lol!

Archie Moore anyone ? I know he's an exception but damn, the man was boxing (and winning most fights) until he was 50, insane.

Ali fought better fighters, and likely would have won by decision head to head when they were both prime. Vitali would have smashed Frazier and Norton though. Styles make fights.

When Vitali fights Foreman, Frazier 3 times, and Norton 3 times let me know...

At his best? Like what, in 2 or 3 fights? Did you actually watch Ali fighting? He gets hit from pillar to post in nearly every of his fights. He has one of the worst defenses that I have ever seen. Yet he is still better than both Klitschko's combined.. NOTHING you say changes that...

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honestly I give Vitali respect because he handled his business, people forget his career has been plauged with injuries, he lost out 4 years of his career and came back to a fight where he made Samuel Peter quit we can't forget who we talking about here yo because even an aging Vitali would be too much for damn near any Heavyweight today, including his own brother

Better than Frazier? A lot of opponents. Frazier would be a B-level fighter nowadays. Wait, he wouldn't even be allowed to box (because he was blind on his left eye). Better than Foreman? Hard to say. I believe that Foreman is one of the seldom example of Ali's opponents that are comparable to nowadays era. However when you analyze Foreman's record then not much stays actually. As I mentioned: Foreman has only scored 2 KOs in world championship fights. Thus the correct question is: Does Foreman have any win on his record that is better than Vitali. No, he doesn't. Having said that: I believe that Foreman is better than Ali and that Foreman had better chance against the Klitschkos (or any other modern heavy) than Ali. u can have my german dick if u shut up then, bitch

What im trying to say is 38 is too old for most to compete in boxing http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/91113986.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D05B9F94390972B9E0C4BA39C6ACABED476C8805AD40B1EAF2 Depends entirely on how many rounds and how tough were those rounds both sparing and actual fights more than throwing a blanket over age , and the bigger fighters age slower than the smaller fighters probably because the smaller guys are faster with sharper reflex ,,,, age dont tell the full story .

Your arguments are based on skewing and twisting facts (ie: facts that nee to be looked into and taken into context, not just accepted) to suit your agenda. Dont bother. knn is a troll that is only on here to hate on Muhammad Ali

Kicks are more damging than punches? Ok. Another "fact" pulled out of his ass by Tunney, who as far as I know has never engaged in any combat sport. Vitali's four year break was beneficial, he was injured, he got surgery, he healed, he recovered. Sometimes the benefit of resting from serious injuries outweighs the negative of inactivity. Ali did not need a break, all the break did was accumulate ring rust. Anyways, Ali fought Joe Frazier, a top ten ATG heavweight, only a couple fights after his layoff. Vitali fought Sam Peter. Oh, and another thing Tunney. I just remembered Ali did that exhibition with the Japanese martial artist who kicked the living **** out of Ali's legs, giving him serious problems with his legs, I've even heard it cited before as a partial reason Ali's legs were so bad later in his career. So if kicks are more damaging Tunney........... Inoki did wreck Ali's legs. Ali also had other injuries, such as damage to his kidneys from the numerous body blows he had taken in his career, which is why his doctor Ferdie Pacheco left his camp after the Shavers fight, thinking Ali should have retired by then.

Don't convert Ali's bad boxing (= bad defense) into a virtue (= he had tough opponents). do you honestly think that any of Vitali's opponents were as good as Frazier or Foreman? honestly? the only guy you could say is, of course, Lennox Lewis...and Vitali took a fair amount of punishment in that fight.

A punchdrunk Ali who was showing signs of early stages of Parkinson's disease isn't the best comparison to Vitali, who is still in great shape and relatively fresh without having been in many tough fights. Exactly. Vitali wouldn't be boxing now if he'd been through what Ali had by age 38.

That isn't fair. Vitali was also kickboxing champion of the world and had far more serious injuries than Ali ever had. You become more damaged from kicks than from punches. His four year "retirement" was to have surgery and heal those injuries. Ali had a three year "rest" without injuries at a much younger age and people like you used it as an excuse for his loss to Frazier. I can partially agree with that, but imo Vitali has taken far less damage in his career than Ali. Vitali hurt his legs in kickboxiung, very true, but imo that mostly only hurt his footwork...which isnt a major staple of his style. Ali took a lot of damage in general, which effects not only the legs but punch resistance, timing, etc. Im not saying to overlook Vitali's durability, but really the only truely damaging fights hes had in his career were the Lewis and Sanders fights. unless m forgetting one or two guys, he really hasnt gotten hit too much other than that.

That isn't fair. Vitali was also kickboxing champion of the world and had far more serious injuries than Ali ever had. You become more damaged from kicks than from punches. His four year "retirement" was to have surgery and heal those injuries. Ali had a three year "rest" without injuries at a much younger age and people like you used it as an excuse for his loss to Frazier. Someone had to say it. Even though I think ali wouldve given a fight, he's WAY overrated. So is tyson the bum slayer.

For example because you have to delete 50% of Wepner's opponents because they were not heavyweight (200+). And because Sosnowski has a 2x better KOratio than 35-14 bum Wepner. That Ali couldn't KO Wepner within 12 shows how bad Ali was, and not how good Wepner was. As we all know Ali had even problems with featherfist Frazier (50% heavyweight KOratio). Even Sosnowski has a higher KOratio than Frazier. ...KO ratios can be extremely misleading. especailyl when Sosnowski was shut out against a 0% KO percentage in Zuri Lawrence. Wepner was better than youre giving him credit for, and a large portion of his losses were due to cut stoppages. Jose Luis Castillo also had about 3 or 4 cut stoppages, but that didnt stop him from being a really talented fighter in his prime.