Keep in mind im not talking about 1984 Hearns at 154 when he was at his peak and strongest. Im talking about the weight drained Hearns that fought SRL on September 16 1981 at 144 pounds.
I think Hearns comes out strong and maybe lands the right hand with a graze, not square on the chin because of Floyds defense. I also think because of Tommy's reputation Floyd would use the same defensive style he used on Mosley after round 2 and that's keep both hands up and bring the fight to Tommy blocking his shots and slowly breaking Hearns down round by round. Floyd surprisingly would be the stronger fighter being he is 5-7 146, 147 to Hearns 6-1 144 pounds. Hearns would be strong early but the Hearns that fought SRL was weight drained and had some conditioning issues.
Once Floyd figures out that right hand it would be 10 straight rounds of coming forward, blocking and breaking Tommy down to a unanimous decision.
Question for you? Before fighting SRL who did Hearns beat that was close to Floyd Mayweather?
I just think ppl sometimes favor and overate older eras because they were years ago. Hearns had weaknesses that were exposed by Iran Barkley, Hagler and SRL.
Yes, those guys had certain qualities which gave Hearns trouble, and none of which Floyd possesses. Barkley: A monstrously large MW, who won titles at SMW, LHW and HW, albeit a minor one, who was pure brawler with a good chin, stamina and a massive punch.
Hagler: Good all round skills, hard punch, aggressive, granite chin, could box and brawl equally well and was a big, strong, natural MW.
Leonard: Huge WW (the same size as Margarito with more reach), insanely fast with hands and feet, skillful, highly determined, could box and brawl with anyone, incredible chin, stamina and a very strong puncher that was also very aggressive.
These guys did exploit weaknesses that Hearns, but they are weaknesses that Mayweather couldn't and wouldn't exploit. He doesn't have the punch to hurt Hearns, because while he was stopped in his losses, he did possess a very good chin in general and took shots very well. Leonard had enough stamina and power, along with the pressure he put on Hearns to beat him that way. Hagler simply pounded him like a madman after taking massive shots that few people in history would have taken. Barkley was on the verge of being knocked out when he landed a massive right hand right of the tip of the chin.
The size alone is too much for Maywather to get past. He would have to lunge in to land ti properly as Hearns fought at his true height and Maywather would not lunge in. Not only that, but he just doesn't punch hard enough to get Hearns out of there. Mayweather would have some success but Hearns is too smart to just walk and dismiss all his advantages. He would stay at his when boxing and flick that hard, long, quick jab of his out and MAyweather would struggle with it. Even if he slips it he's too far out to take advantage and if he tries what Leonard did, which was to simply walk through it, he leaves himself wide open for left hooks and massive right hands to land. Hearns takes one step back and he's out of range. Hearns is one guy that would outbox Mayweather.
Hearns wouldn't fight inside like Mosley, Oscar or whoever else was able to land with jabs. Mayweather took their jab away. Hearns' is faster, longer, much more powerful, and more sneaky than either of theirs. Well, Mosley's is shit overall really. Oscar had good success with the jab until Mayweather timed it and took it away. That wouldn't work with Hearns because unlike Oscar he wouldn't let Mayweather get inside nor would he willingly move into Mayweathers range. Bad fight for Floyd. Stylistically.
styles make fights, anyone who knows anything about boxing knows hearns would kill floyd. even roger said hearns would beat his nephew, its just common sense.
floyd wouldnt be able to outbox hearns, hearns outboxed hill, SRL and benitez (with one hand). he was never outboxed, he was very fast and had a big height and reach advantage.
he would beat floyd on the outside and he would kill floyd if he tried fighting in the pocket rolling his shoulders. maywether would have no chance, keep in mind hearns had a good chin at 147. his punch resistance decreased as he took punishment and moved up in weight but at 147 and 154 he could take a good punch.
Hearns is a real tough opponent for Floyd. I'm not sure he would be able to win. He could beat Leonard or Duran at 147 though, those would be much easier matches for him.
You make it seem like Hearns never lost or had weaknesses. Lets be realistic, Floyd aint getting knocked out early. It just aint happening, his defense is to good. Over the long haul of the fight favors Floyd because Hearns always tires, starts looking sloppy stumbling over his own feet.
Even when Hearns was outboxing Ray it looked so sloppy. Ray could have finished him round 7 but wasn't aggressive enough.
Leonard only won that fight because of his crazy aggression and determination, willingness to walk through whatever Hearns hit him with and his much greater offensive arsenal and firepower. Floyd doesn't have enough power at 147 to even hurt Hearns at all.
Mayweather, as good as he is, doesn't fight like that and never could against Hearns. Hearns would have a much easier time keeping Floyd at bay than he did Leonard. Leonard is bigger, stronger, as fast (if not faster) and has much more one punch power. That is the way he beat Hearns. He didn't outbox him. Floyd would try to outbox him and lose.
Hearns is just too big, too quick, too powerful and too skillful. He's not more skillful than Mayweather but with everything combined it adds up to a fight that Mayweather would lose. Hearns would keep him on the end of his jab the whole fight and like it not, he would have to take a few of those right hands over the course of the fight as his right hand was sneaky, very fast and even a partially blocked would hurt you badly.
The right hand of Hearns is an entirely different weapon than Mosley's. It's longer, faster, more sneaky, and much, much more powerful. He would land it a number of times throughout the fight and he would land it early more often than late. I don't think Floyd would get knocked out, but I do think he'd take a few and get badly hurt and probably knocked down. I think he'd lose most of the first half of the fight simply having to stay away and be very defensive after being hurt or knocked down. He'd have to catch up and win every round after that and he wouldn't. He'd still lose most rounds with Hearns boxing. He would have a lot of trouble with his jab and would struggle to get past it to get any work done and score points. Hearns would take at least half, or more, of the second six rounds and win a solid UD.
He hurt everyone he hit with it. Hagler, Leonard, Benitez, Duran. The only guy he couldn't knock down with it is Hagler and he busted Hagler up and nearly put him down. Benitez is as close to that fight (Mayweather) as anyone of those and Hearns knocked that defensive genius down a couple of times and had him badly hurt. He also outboxed Benitez because of his speed and reach. Benitez is bigger than Floyd, fights as good and maybe even better off the ropes, and is just as slick with his counter punching. Floyd is better inside and faster and his punching is shorter but he also doesn't have as much power and doesn't fight (when he needed to he brawled with the best of them) as much as Benitez did.
Floyd would have get inside more to win or score points because he would not, and I repeat, would not knock Hearns out. He would have to win by KO and that just wouldn't happen. It's just one of those fights he wouldn't win. Nothing to be pissed off at though. Hearns was an absolute freak at 147 and I see very few 147 guys beating him ever. You have to have an insane chin, be tall and rangy, very fast, very skillful and you need to possess amazing stamina and power otherwise you are going to lose because you have to fight Hearns. You have to get in and bang him and hurt him because you won't outbox him. Mayweather could beat lots of fighters but Hearns isn't one of them.
Umm... no not at all.
Hearns jab size right hand would Floyd major problems.
1981 Hearns possible KO's Shane last night..
I even think 1981 Leonard stops Shane last night.
And, Hears also did his best work against slick boxers.Heh, you think?
I honestly can't see the version of Mosley that showed up for Floyd surviving more than six rounds against either Leonard or Hearns. Leonard would probably stop him earlier because he had a more swarming style and would be all over Shane's arse. This isn't a diss on Floyd, or on Shane. But yeah... comparing two, arguably both over-the-hill gentlemen, one of which who has been fighting most of his career in lighter classes, to a prime Ray Leonard is mildly absurd.
I don't see the Floyd of May 1st surviving against either Leonard or Hearns either.
Umm... no not at all.
Hearns jab size right hand would Floyd major problems.
1981 Hearns possible KO's Shane last night..
I even think 1981 Leonard stops Shane last night.
And, Hears also did his best work against slick boxers.
what an utterly disgusting thread. because floyd unanimous decisioned a 39 year old fighter who hasnt fought in 1 year & 5 months, he's gonna beat a undefeated tommy hearns?
are you serious? how did you come to this conclusion? when floyd almost got ktfo by that same 39 year old fighter who hasnt fought in over a year?
You ought to be castrated for this.
Agree with you 100%. An absolutely disgusting thread. Floyd got a decision over a 38-yr-old, shot, shit head and foot movement fighter and all of a sudden he's supposed to beat Tommy Hearns? No chance, Hearns will knock Floyd's head off his shoulders
I think Floyd's a more complete fighter than SRL. Not just speed and flashy combinations. Floyd is a more complete technical fighter and would not have gotten nailed by Hearns as much as Ray did because of his defense. Floyd can fight Hearns close range and still not get hit. Keep both hands up high, block and just tapping Hearns with body shots, straight right hands. Slowly break him down without getting carelessNah... Ray was the more complete fighter... because, you know, he could actually punch. REALLY punch. And I think he was just as fast at 147 as Floyd is now, probably faster.
Outboxing a guy that's got such a great jab as Hearns had, who was also incredibly rangy, is NOT an easy task. Hearns, as stated before, was a freak. All that range, speed, and INCREDIBLE power in the right hand. Ray really had a MONSTER chin, people seem to forget that. That's the reason he won... Hearns was a bigger hitter, but the chin versus the power made Ray the bigger puncher in the fight.
Floyd has become the most overrated, overhyped boxer that I've ever seen. I know he's just out to get paid so I ain't blaming him but some of this boxing fans are just straight up idiots.
Floyd dominates Hearns. LOL
I just think Floyd is much better than SRL and would have been to strong over the long fight than a weight drained 144 pound Hearns. Remember SRL didnt fight the 154 Hearns that Duran fought. He fought Hearns at 144 pounds.
Mosley being past prime doesn't affect his power...:pat:
He was slower and not as precise with his punches, though. And Hearns had much more power, was faster and more precise.
I used to think he would've gotten a decision, but after Mayweather got hurt and nearly knocked down by a past-prime Mosley, I've changed my opinion.
Mosley being past prime doesn't affect his power...:pat:
SRL got hit a lot by the slow plodding Ayub Kalule so you cant say Floyd would have gotten as hit as often Ray did against Hearns.
No way does Ayub Kalule who was slow as heck even touch Floyd. Ray was getting nailed with unecessary shots. Lucky Kalule had no power.
Floyd gives Hearns more trouble than Ray
Give it up,rooster.
SRL got hit a lot by the slow plodding Ayub Kalule so you cant say Floyd would have gotten as hit as often Ray did against Hearns.
No way does Ayub Kalule who was slow as heck even touch Floyd. Ray was getting nailed with unecessary shots. Lucky Kalule had no power.
Floyd gives Hearns more trouble than Ray
No one ever beat Hearns in a boxing match. You had to brawl with Tommy to take him down.
thankyou!!....Floyd would get handled by Tommy....that jab has to be one of the sickest sticks in the history of boxing.
utterly disgusting thread.
because 39 year old mosley off the ring for 1 year & 5 months equals a prime ray leonard & tommy hearns.
:rofl:
Question for you? Before fighting SRL who did Hearns beat that was close to Floyd Mayweather?
I just think ppl sometimes favor and overate older eras because they were years ago. Hearns had weaknesses that were exposed by Iran Barkley, Hagler and SRL.