Cotto was damaged goods and the fight wasn't even at the WW limit. He was coming off a brutal loss and many said his career was finished.
Mosley is coming off two brutal KO's wins, at 154 and against the #1 at 147. Clearly, without any doubt, Mayweather's victory over Mosley would be far superior to anything Pacquiao has accomplished.
People mention Pacquaio vs Barrera. Well, Barrera was knocked out by Junior Jones in just 5 rounds and lost the immediate rematch as well. He only lost to Pacquiao after his war with Morales. That means Pacquiao's greatest accomplishment in his career was one-upped by a B level boxer against a superior version of the common opponent.
floyds greatest accomplishment was getting a gift decision over castillo who was knocked out not once but twice by javier jauriegi. or was it corrales who clottey dominated then pac dominated him. and don't give me that it was a different weight nonsense floyd is the master at fighting guys not in their proper weight classes and pretending it proved something.
Cotto was damaged goods and the fight wasn't even at the WW limit. He was coming off a brutal loss and many said his career was finished.
Mosley is coming off two brutal KO's wins, at 154 and against the #1 at 147. Clearly, without any doubt, Mayweather's victory over Mosley would be far superior to anything Pacquiao has accomplished.
People mention Pacquaio vs Barrera. Well, Barrera was knocked out by Junior Jones in just 5 rounds and lost the immediate rematch as well. He only lost to Pacquiao after his war with Morales. That means Pacquiao's greatest accomplishment in his career was one-upped by a B level boxer against a superior version of the common opponent.
Boxrec, is a hell of a website ain't it?
YES, because Cotto wasn't the same against Pacquiao, had a shit trainer, very suspect preparation and a bad game plan. Plus he looked bad against limited Clottey.
Cotto when he fought Mosley was at his peak, had a great trainer, a great preparation and was very smart. He used to demolish people.
Mosley just killed Margarito and works with a great trainer/strategist in Nazim Richardson.
Still Pacquiao's win over Cotto is in my book better than any of Mayweather's wins before the Mosley fight. Better than the Hatton win or the fight against Fishnet Boy.
Those are not facts, at all... That is the opposite of fact...
Do you know the definition of fact?
the cotto not being able to make weight may have been speculated by many at that time but the rest is true, and i forgot where but there is an interview where roach was asked if cotto wouldnt be able to rehydrate to his desired and he said yes i think he said 150 or 155, ur a very respected poster here so i wont get into a verbal argument with you, i oppologize if my views on things offend or contradict urs in anyway
Anybody who cant see both sides have a valid argument are idiots. Cotto beat Mosley, Mosley beat the guy who beat Cotto, Cotto was damaged from Margo, Mosley is 38 and on and on.
I give them comparable credit. Mosley has been in decline for a few years and his career/rankings were only revitalized due to Marg win and this fight should have happened years ago.
Cotto, although a catchweight, was Pac's first true test @ WW. Battle worn or not, there was alot more uncertanty with Pac taking on Cotto than Shane's "puncher's chance"
No matter what though, we all have to see him win before he gets credit.
the cotto not being able to make weight may have been speculated by many at that time but the rest is true, and i forgot where but there is an interview where roach was asked if cotto wouldnt be able to rehydrate to his desired and he said yes i think he said 150 or 155, ur a very respected poster here so i wont get into a verbal argument with you, i oppologize if my views on things offend or contradict urs in anyway
The Cotto win is stained with:
1). Not a WW fight, asking Cotto to fight at 142 was a rather pansy thing to do...
2). Margarito has stolen Cotto's mojo with his magic(cough cough)hand wraps.
If Floyd beats Shane than his win is stained with:
1). Mosley is old as dirt...
2). Mosley is seriously old.
In all honesty I think that the Mosley Floyd's fighting is better than the Cotto Pacquaio's fought but what does it matter? In the grand scheme of things neither fighter will be remembered as being as good as what their rabid fans hope they will unless they fight each other so nitpicking over who has the best win at 147 is silly.
yes, and by a mile, here are some facts
1.Shane Coming off a impressive tko victory and career defining win, against the man who beat cotto
2. there is no limit for the welterweight limit, they can come in at 141-147, which cotto who could barely make 147 had to size down to 145
3. there is no overnight rehydration limit which cotto and de la zombie for ""$""ome stupid reason agreed to.
i could go on but i got sum things to do
Those are not facts, at all... That is the opposite of fact...
Do you know the definition of fact?
yes, and by a mile, here are some facts
1.Shane Coming off a impressive tko victory and career defining win, against the man who beat cotto
2. there is no limit for the welterweight limit, they can come in at 141-147, which cotto who could barely make 147 had to size down to 145
3. there is no overnight rehydration limit which cotto and de la zombie for ""$""ome stupid reason agreed to.
i could go on but i got sum things to do
according to who? not the ring and i dont think anyone actually believes mosley is a better fighter than pac right now. just take a look at the odds for one. may is -450 against mosley and even money against pac. most people felt mosley was done years ago and then he fights a guy who stands right in front of him and lets him unload free power shots and he's back? hardly.
ok,dude who should floyd have fought that is deemed just as big of a threat as shane???
by the way they have to also be ranked 1 or 2 in his division and a top 10 p4p and don't name pac since that fight was called off
I agree, floyd couldn't even scratch a face castillo who made him run to his own dear life for 12 rounds.
gomez destroys castillo and clottey destroys corrales and they aren't on the p4p list yet mayweather beats marquez and goes to number 2? oh maybe cause it was on ppv and a million idiots bought it that makes it mean more. NUMERO UNO!
Yes I think so. Mosley is coming off a big win while Cotto was coming off a very close win against Clottey and his body and face recieved a real beating. So yes Mayweather beating Mosley will be quite the accolade for Mayweather.
Mosley is ranked as the #1 Welterweight and #3 P4P Best fighter in the world.
Cotto lost to Margarito and he was was not the same fighter once he got beaten by a guy who used plaster in his gloves, I felt Clottey beat him too in a very close fight.
The Mosley that will face Floyd > The Cotto that faced Pacquiao in terms of ranking, resume, momentum and the fighter itself. Most people felt Cotto was done after the Margarito fight, but Shane looked very good in demolishing Margarito.
according to who? not the ring and i dont think anyone actually believes mosley is a better fighter than pac right now. just take a look at the odds for one. may is -450 against mosley and even money against pac. most people felt mosley was done years ago and then he fights a guy who stands right in front of him and lets him unload free power shots and he's back? hardly.
gomez's knockout win over castillo is better than floyd's win over castillo.
I agree, floyd couldn't even scratch a face castillo who made him run to his own dear life for 12 rounds.
Pac's win over cotto is better than the floyd's win over mosley, for a simple fact that cotto beat mosley, mosley's win over margarito is overrated who is just a punching bag and no defense margarito and mosley is almost 40 years old.
Mosley is ranked as the #1 Welterweight and #3 P4P Best fighter in the world.
Cotto lost to Margarito and he was was not the same fighter once he got beaten by a guy who used plaster in his gloves, I felt Clottey beat him too in a very close fight.
The Mosley that will face Floyd > The Cotto that faced Pacquiao in terms of ranking, resume, momentum and the fighter itself. Most people felt Cotto was done after the Margarito fight, but Shane looked very good in demolishing Margarito.
Just out of curiosity what rankings are you going by? Boxingscen? Your rankings?