Martinez-Williams II Will Not Be Next

idk bout yall but i want to see him up against margarito again, 2 reasons, 1:let him redeem his "only true loss"as he puts it 2:see if margariot was just all plaster or he actually has sum pop left

Martinez has plenty of options to go from. I think he should fight Sturm or Margs.

You must have missed it. Kellerman was comparing physical size and style. Not once did he say Williams hit harder or was better. That's a lot different from claiming somebody is the fastest in history. Check "Mate" lol. He compared Williams to 3 of the greatest fighters in history....COMBINED. Yet you dont think thats hype? LOL

First Margarito, then Williams

You are. Notice you ducked the Kellerman quote too. You must have missed it. Kellerman was comparing physical size and style. Not once did he say Williams hit harder or was better. That's a lot different from claiming somebody is the fastest in history. Check "Mate" lol.

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler UK Nope in my view Martinez stood with his hands by his waist and Williams could barely hit him.....never said that was for every second of every round. But for long periods of that fight, Williams was hitting thin air. When he did land, the majority were nowhere near as clean or effective as Martinez's. Who's lying again? It kills your theory that Williams barely hit Martinez or didn't land solidly. You are. Notice you ducked the Kellerman quote too.

Oh and if you want me to top that....Max Kellerman called Paul Williams a cross between Tommy Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez. Checkmate. Did he ever say he hit harder than Hearns or was better than any of them? Try again.

Read my post again....slowly. Who's the liar again? Why do you keep brininging up Mayweather-Hatton? You obviously have had a boner for me from a long time....whereas I honestly havent a clue who you are. Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler UK Nope in my view Martinez stood with his hands by his waist and Williams could barely hit him.....never said that was for every second of every round. But for long periods of that fight, Williams was hitting thin air. When he did land, the majority were nowhere near as clean or effective as Martinez's. Who's lying again?

Oh and if you want me to top that....Max Kellerman called Paul Williams a cross between Tommy Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez. Checkmate. He also called Bute a southpaw Tommy Hearns.

Oh and if you want me to top that....Max Kellerman called Paul Williams a cross between Tommy Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez. Checkmate.

Former WBC, WBO and The Ring Magazine middleweight champion Kelly “The Ghost” Pavlik relinquished his belts to WBC super welterweight titlist Sergio “Maravilla” Martinez by a resounding unanimous decision loss Saturday at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs) badly bludgeoned Pavlik (36-2, 32 KOs) early in the bout and his extreme quickness never enabled “The Ghost” an opportunity to land a steady barrage of punches. “I’ve never promoted anybody with this kind of athleticism before,” said Martinez’s promoter Lou DiBella, a graduate of Tufts University and Harvard Law School. “This guy is a different kind of fighter. He does some things that make me think of Roy Jones when he was young.” Renowned HBO boxing analyst Jim Lampley echoed DiBella’s sentiments and he has often called Martinez, “The fastest junior middleweight I’ve ever seen.” Martinez, 35, an Argentinean southpaw, is further remarkable when one takes into account the fact that he didn’t begin boxing until his early-20s. Prior to his foray into “The Sweet Science,” Martinez pursued professional careers in bicycling and soccer. Despite his relatively advanced age for a prizefighter, DiBella is confident that Martinez will continue to thrive as a pugilist. “I still think he’s in his prime even though he’s in his mid-30s,” said DiBella. “He just discovered how good he is. He has a window of multiple years where he really could be a superstar.” Speed is generally the first thing that a boxer squanders upon graying. Therefore, it will be particularly fascinating to see how Martinez adapts and alters his style of fighting with time. Pavlik’s decisive undoing was the second time that he has been defeated over the course of his past four battles. At 28, Pavlik is still very young and in the prime of his athletic career. Nevertheless, Pavlik looked extremely slow and tentative this past weekend. To a degree, Pavlik certainly seemed cautious to jab with his twice surgically-repaired left-hand. Pavlik employs an orthodox stance and his thunderous right-hand is dependent on the effectiveness of his jab. Pavlik’s ability to jab is what prepares and positions him to launch his mighty right-hand. If Pavlik’s left-hand continues to be a hindrance, he will forever struggle to establish an advantage and that will preclude him from landing his fearsome right with any legitimate force. At this juncture, Sergio Martinez looks like a young 35-year-old man. Conversely, Kelly Pavlik appears to be a spent 28-year-old. Hopefully, “The Ghost” can manage to again make noise someday in the future. Your move lol So Lou Di Bella and Jim Lampley. Two guys who are paid to promote/talk up fighters....lol gotcha.

...be arsed. As I said, when you talk about hype, its usually gauging responses from fans. Williams was certainly more hyped on the internet than in the mainstream cos no one knew who he was. Please show your "sources". Former WBC, WBO and The Ring Magazine middleweight champion Kelly “The Ghost” Pavlik relinquished his belts to WBC super welterweight titlist Sergio “Maravilla” Martinez by a resounding unanimous decision loss Saturday at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs) badly bludgeoned Pavlik (36-2, 32 KOs) early in the bout and his extreme quickness never enabled “The Ghost” an opportunity to land a steady barrage of punches. “I’ve never promoted anybody with this kind of athleticism before,” said Martinez’s promoter Lou DiBella, a graduate of Tufts University and Harvard Law School. “This guy is a different kind of fighter. He does some things that make me think of Roy Jones when he was young.” Renowned HBO boxing analyst Jim Lampley echoed DiBella’s sentiments and he has often called Martinez, “The fastest junior middleweight I’ve ever seen.” Martinez, 35, an Argentinean southpaw, is further remarkable when one takes into account the fact that he didn’t begin boxing until his early-20s. Prior to his foray into “The Sweet Science,” Martinez pursued professional careers in bicycling and soccer. Despite his relatively advanced age for a prizefighter, DiBella is confident that Martinez will continue to thrive as a pugilist. “I still think he’s in his prime even though he’s in his mid-30s,” said DiBella. “He just discovered how good he is. He has a window of multiple years where he really could be a superstar.” Speed is generally the first thing that a boxer squanders upon graying. Therefore, it will be particularly fascinating to see how Martinez adapts and alters his style of fighting with time. Pavlik’s decisive undoing was the second time that he has been defeated over the course of his past four battles. At 28, Pavlik is still very young and in the prime of his athletic career. Nevertheless, Pavlik looked extremely slow and tentative this past weekend. To a degree, Pavlik certainly seemed cautious to jab with his twice surgically-repaired left-hand. Pavlik employs an orthodox stance and his thunderous right-hand is dependent on the effectiveness of his jab. Pavlik’s ability to jab is what prepares and positions him to launch his mighty right-hand. If Pavlik’s left-hand continues to be a hindrance, he will forever struggle to establish an advantage and that will preclude him from landing his fearsome right with any legitimate force. At this juncture, Sergio Martinez looks like a young 35-year-old man. Conversely, Kelly Pavlik appears to be a spent 28-year-old. Hopefully, “The Ghost” can manage to again make noise someday in the future. Your move lol

In other words...you can't. ...be arsed. As I said, when you talk about hype, its usually gauging responses from fans. Williams was certainly more hyped on the internet than in the mainstream cos no one knew who he was. Please show your "sources".

LOL....I cant be arsed splitting hairs anymore. Williams was more hyped in my opinion, Martinez in yours. When you talk about hype, you usually gauge responses from boxing fans and that was the hype surrounding Williams. I honestly dont care enough about this to get "credible sources". Show yours if you wish. In other words...you can't.

No one rates Roy as a JMW in anything, not ability, not speed, ANYTHING. Comprende mijo? Thanks for the red K. It lets me know I got the better of you in this debate and you know it.. Thanks :lol1:

No one rates Roy as a JMW in anything, not ability, not speed, ANYTHING. Comprende mijo? Thanks for the red K. It lets me know I got the better of you in this debate and you know it.. Thanks lol

Show any credible sources that definitively said that Williams would clean out and dominate 4 divisions. Boxing scene fans don't count. . I can already show you two respected sources that claimed Martinez is the fastest 154 pound fighter ever. I'll wait. LOL....I cant be arsed splitting hairs anymore. Williams was more hyped in my opinion, Martinez in yours. When you talk about hype, you usually gauge responses from boxing fans and that was the hype surrounding Williams. I honestly dont care enough about this to get "credible sources". Show yours if you wish.

No one rates Roy as a JMW in anything, not ability, not speed, ANYTHING. Comprende mijo? No YOU don't. Speak for yourself.

Which is more farfetched? Martinez being the quickest 154lber ever or Paul Williams cleaning out 4 divisions? Show any credible sources that definitively said that Williams would clean out and dominate 4 divisions. Boxing scene fans don't count. . I can already show you two respected sources that claimed Martinez is the fastest 154 pound fighter ever. I'll wait.

The issue was speed. Not ability. Not Number of fights. Not Accomplishments. Comprehend? Nice job trying to divert the issue for about the third time. And I don't care who you rate as the fastest. No one rates Roy as a JMW in anything, not ability, not speed, ANYTHING. Comprende mijo?