and i've been posting this for a long time now----the fighter of the year will be floyd mayweather to give him 3 fighter of the year accolades in his career--his punch output percentage will rise again, coz he's still number 1 in that category---the shots landed against him % will break the record that he holds---shane and manny will land at most or less than 20% of their shots on floyd--and floyd will land close to or at least 50% of his shots on them---and i dare somebody to bet me---just tell me how to bet so we can make this happen---i'll bet millions of points on it---floyd is going to awaken his killer instinct when he fights shane and manny----the most dangerous time i've seen floyd act out in the ring was back in 2005---i call that the gatti year---and mark these words, floyd will not only let his hands go, he will land at will on them both--he will avoid their punches---he will stop manny by round 8---totally dominating him, and he will dominate shane the whole fight, and i can see him stopping shane late also----
remember--floyd is the only complete fighter in boxing--he still holds the compubox record---and has held it for years---manny and shane fans need to prepare themselves for a long night of embarrassment and humiliation from their fighters when they fight floyd---i promise you this---i've broken down thier styles to a tee plenty of times, but i'll be happy to do it again here, if somebody wants to take it there---i'll even tell you what punches he'll trow at him---i'll tell you how he'll feint when he throws them---i'll tell you what punch he'll hurt them with the most if you want me to, and i'll bet my points on it---i dare you to try me----
you can call him every name in the book and me, but none of that will matter come fight night when he beats the living shit out of them---so try me kids----
Manny can't "out work" his way to a win with Floyd. He will have to really get defensive training for this fight.
He could get the hatton special because of his fight style. Mosely was able to control his wide punches but he would have gotten Hattoned if he fought his old style.
i don't know man. I'm sure if i had asked you would mosley wobble floyd like that, you would say "no way".
I predicted floyd to beat shane 9 rounds to 3, and i think pac would beat floyd.
I think my prediction of floyd vs shane was closer than yours.you can't go off of i bets with you woulda's coulda's and shoulda's cowboy----if you were sure i would answer with a "no way", then maybe you should have asked me then----and from the start, i gave shane a puncher's chance---i give all big punchers he faces a puncher's chance--and i posted that also before a while back----floyd isn't invincible---he can be hit----
you prediction of floyd vs shane can be a "i think" my prediction was a "mark my words" and a "guarantee you"----and mosley won 1 round against floyd----i didn't give shane over two rounds against floyd when i made my predictions---that i promise---and as far as dominating him, floyd did just than---and shane didn't land more than 20% of his shots and floyd did land near 50% of is shots, and he almost had nazim stopping the fight---
just wait and see what he does to manny----you believe manny will win all you want to---keep on believing it---but stop giving excuses about my predictions---coz i damn near spot on----the bottom line is, he dominated shane by more than 9 rounds---10 rounds at least he dominated shane--and 11 rounds at least according to two judges----read and weep---and look at the compbubox numbers----
you have to meet both conditions dude. That's what you said. They have to land less than 20% and floyd has to land more than 50%.
That's why i am saying you're dreaming. Shane can box and this is his natural weight. It will be very similar to the odlh fight (in many respects, shane is a better boxer than odlh).
Although it was obvious that floyd won the odlh fight, the scoring didn't look at way because the fight didn't appear that way.
Mayweather is now 33 and speed is slowing. If you don't see that, you're not being objective. Shane isn't shane at 26, but from his recent fights with cotto, marg he doesn't appear to be declining much at all (very much like bhop).
And with manny?
http://compuboxonline.com/special_content/pacquiao.pdf
manny isn't an accurate puncher? At 147 he is the absolute man. He connects 43% of all his shots and 53% of his power shots (ex-the clottey fight)
even with clottey in shell he landed 20% of 1231 punches, and 34% of power shots. It doesn't matter when you are throwing 1200 punches if you only land 20%.
With boxers who have sought to engage manny and not go into a shell at 147, he has been ultra accurate. And not against nobodies either. Cotto is probably a future hof fight, odlh for sure is.
In the comparison fights between floyd and manny you have jmm (who manny fought at jmms weight, not some yoked up 154 where jmm had no business being), hatton, and odlh.
Even if i gave you floyd being impressive against an older jmm, out of weight class. Manny was 10 times better against odlh and hatton than floyd was. It's not even a close comparison.
Manny is at this point faster, stronger, and would be able to dictate all the terms of the fight because he's the money draw (not floyd). That means small ring, light gloves, and his weight rules (qed no coming in over weight for floyd).1st of all, you sound desperate with meeting both conditions---if you read my post correct genius--i said they will land at most or less than 20% and he will land close to or at least 50%---he landed close to 50%, and that's because shane kept grabbing him and holding on to him like he all need somebody to leaaaaaaannnnn onnnnnnn---lol----
i told you guys----now, when floyd fights manny---expect to see a stoppage by the end of round 8---or earlier---and manny will not land more than 20% of his shots---at most, or less----and floyd almost had nazim throwing the towel in------floyd lost at most the first 2 rounds on one scorecard---the other scorecards, he lost only the 2nd round----bring on poochiao----his ass whooping his next----
and i've been posting this for a long time now----the fighter of the year will be floyd mayweather to give him 3 fighter of the year accolades in his career--his punch output percentage will rise again, coz he's still number 1 in that category---the shots landed against him % will break the record that he holds---shane and manny will land less than 20% of their shots on floyd--and floyd will land close to or at least 50% of his shots on them---and i dare somebody to bet me---just tell me how to bet so we can make this happen---i'll bet millions of points on it---floyd is going to awaken his killer instinct when he fights shane and manny----the most dangerous time i've seen floyd act out in the ring was back in 2005---i call that the gatti year---and mark these words, floyd will not only let his hands go, he will land at will on them both--he will avoid their punches---he will stop manny by round 8---totally dominating him, and he will dominate shane the whole fight, and i can see him stopping shane late also----
remember--floyd is the only complete fighter in boxing--he still holds the compubox record---and has held it for years---manny and shane fans need to prepare themselves for a long night of embarrassment and humiliation from their fighters when they fight floyd---i promise you this---i've broken down thier styles to a tee plenty of times, but i'll be happy to do it again here, if somebody wants to take it there---i'll even tell you what punches he'll trow at him---i'll tell you how he'll feint when he throws them---i'll tell you what punch he'll hurt them with the most if you want me to, and i'll bet my points on it---i dare you to try me----
you can call him every name in the book and me, but none of that will matter come fight night when he beats the living shit out of them---so try me kids----
Spot on bro.
no--i'm not dreaming---how much you want to bet? and with manny---he's not an accurate puncher--he's a volume puncher---floyd will make manny change his output--that i do know---and mosley isn't an accurate puncher either---you're right---floyd did land lss than 50% of his shots on oscar--floyd cruised in that fight--at 154--oscar tired himself out---shane is a different fighter--the punches oscar landed were grazing punches but they counted i guess---oscar has a good jab---which floyd took away from him---shane has a sloppy jab----when shane throws his jab out there--he will be countered--and oscar is a sharper puncher than shane is---oscar doesn't close his eyes when he swings---oscar actually fought smart, but it wasn't enough to beat floyd---i'm telling you shane and manny land less then 20% of their shots---
You have to meet both conditions dude. That's what you said. They have to land less than 20% AND Floyd has to land more than 50%.
That's why I am saying you're dreaming. Shane can box and this is his natural weight. It will be very similar to the ODLH fight (in many respects, Shane is a better boxer than ODLH).
Although it was obvious that Floyd won the ODLH fight, the scoring didn't look at way because the fight didn't appear that way.
Mayweather is now 33 and speed is slowing. If you don't see that, you're not being objective. Shane isn't shane at 26, but from his recent fights with Cotto, Marg he doesn't appear to be declining much at all (very much like Bhop).
And with Manny?
http://compuboxonline.com/special_content/Pacquiao.pdf
Manny isn't an accurate puncher? At 147 he is the absolute man. He connects 43% of all his shots and 53% of his power shots (ex-the Clottey fight)
Even with Clottey in shell he landed 20% of 1231 punches, and 34% of power shots. It doesn't matter when you are throwing 1200 punches if you only land 20%.
With boxers who have sought to engage Manny and not go into a Shell at 147, he has been ultra accurate. And not against nobodies either. Cotto is probably a future HOF fight, ODLH for sure is.
In the comparison fights between Floyd and Manny you have JMM (who Manny fought at JMMs weight, not some yoked up 154 where JMM had no business being), Hatton, and ODLH.
Even if I gave you Floyd being impressive against an older JMM, out of weight class. Manny was 10 times better against ODLH and Hatton than Floyd was. It's not even a close comparison.
Manny is at this point faster, stronger, and would be able to dictate all the terms of the fight because he's the money draw (not floyd). That means small ring, light gloves, and his weight rules (QED no coming in over weight for Floyd).
Keep dreaming.
1. i dont think hes goin to dominate mosley. (Yeah sure he can win,but dominate?not gonna happen.)
2. pac is the one whos goin to dominate him. (but i highly doubt a fight between them will ever occur.)
what dont you understand.
clottey thread hundreds less punches than pac and when he did, he connected on pac better than pac connected on him.
clottey threw less and missed less
not that hard to comprehend
Stats don't lie man, i've shown you already, in power punches manny was 34percent accurate as against clottey's 35 percent and in total punches manny was 20 percent as against clottey's 27 percent. And I saw the fight for myself, yes it was a low percentage fight for both fighters just because of clottey's shell like defense, and yes clottey could have thrown the more effecetive punches in the highlight reel, but I think they highlighted more on clottey's punches just because he rarely throws one, and when he did throw a few clottey also missed alot thus he has a 27 percent accuracy stats. Don't be fooled by the highlight reels and tv editing, they rarely showed manny connecting and they never showed clottey missing...
I'll bet on that.
ODLH landed more than 20%, and Floyd landed less than 50% on him. What makes you think a Floyd 3 years older now will be able to be just as dominate as then?
With Shane, I might understand your reasoning, but Shane has pretty much shown he is going to be like BHOP. Able to continue being a great boxer even into older age.
But Manny? You are dreaming.no--i'm not dreaming---how much you want to bet? and with manny---he's not an accurate puncher--he's a volume puncher---floyd will make manny change his output--that i do know---and mosley isn't an accurate puncher either---you're right---floyd did land lss than 50% of his shots on oscar--floyd cruised in that fight--at 154--oscar tired himself out---shane is a different fighter--the punches oscar landed were grazing punches but they counted i guess---oscar has a good jab---which floyd took away from him---shane has a sloppy jab----when shane throws his jab out there--he will be countered--and oscar is a sharper puncher than shane is---oscar doesn't close his eyes when he swings---oscar actually fought smart, but it wasn't enough to beat floyd---i'm telling you shane and manny land at most or less then 20% of their shots---
i actually agree with you dude, to a point. I give both guys a good chance to beat Floyd but they have to be at 100% and have Floyd off his game. After the the form he showed and the way he dealt with Marquez after the lay-off, no one can beat that.
---shane and manny will land less than 20% of their shots on floyd--and floyd will land close to or at least 50% of his shots on them---and i dare somebody to bet me---just tell me how to bet so we can make this happen---
I'll bet on that.
ODLH landed more than 20%, and Floyd landed less than 50% on him. What makes you think a Floyd 3 years older now will be able to be just as dominate as then?
With Shane, I might understand your reasoning, but Shane has pretty much shown he is going to be like BHOP. Able to continue being a great boxer even into older age.
But Manny? You are dreaming.
Floyd never, ever would have fought ODLH or Shane Mosely in their primes. He would have been smoked out of the ring. Give me either ODLH 26-29 or Shane Mosely 26-29 against Floyd at any point in his career.
Floydis 33 now, he's slowing down. If you don't see it, you're blind. Who knows what age will do to him, Mosely has already proven he has a very BHOP like ability to combat the effects of age.
Floyd will blow him out? Keep dreaming. Floyd didn't blow ODLH out. He doesn't blow out great fighters when the fight is level.
This is why Manny Pacquiao is #1 P4P and Floyd is not. It's not even comparable. Manny blows out Elite fighters. That's something only the greats do. The Alis, The Sugar Ray Leonards, The Prime Mosely or ODLH.
Some may consider winning every round a blow out. I don't. I'm talking about for instance:
Floyd stopped Ricky Hatton.
Manny holy mother of God knocked him into the moon.
That's the difference.
Before ODLH, Floyd had never fought 1 elite HOF fighter. How dare anyone call him GOT.
Manny fought one pretty much as he first came to the American Boxing Community in 2003.
That's the difference.
Dominate Manny? For 1 thing, it's already obvious, Manny is the draw not Floyd. So Manny will dictate terms. Small ring, lighter gloves (just like ODLH did). That's lights out for an aging Floyd. He would get touched, and often. He doesn't have the power to knock Manny out.
He might dominate Mosley because Mosley is not the fighter he was years ago but Floyd will never take a fight with Pacquiao, for good reasons too. And I'm not refering to Mayweather's allergy to southpaws.
sure bogler---that killer instinct is the gatti killer instinct---he will let his hands go and as shane weakens and tires out more, and slows diwn, he he's done so many times, floyd will get stronger and punish shane more and more and more, and floyd has gotten stronger as the fight progressed---the same with manny---manny has great stamina, when a fighter doesn't move--meaning manny can dart in and out and get stronger in the later rounds--when a fighter moves against him--he gets frustrated and starts to miss his shots---floyd will move around and make manny miss---manny's not that accurate, so he'll tire out and start to miss a lot--as floyd lands at will on him---coz clottey hit manny when he threw----floyd won't just stay on the ropes and let manny wail away on him---and the times that he does, he has something up his sleeve--like the block-counter-- i call it that---where he hides his right hand behind his left shoulder and blocks a punch with his shoulder only to counter with his right hand, catching his opponent off gaurd and landing when they don't expect--he's mastered this years ago----
This is a common misconception among the haters, as if clottey never missed a shot... compubox stats of power punches for manny 232 of 682 (34 percent) to clottey's 82 of 237 (35 percent), and an overall punch landed percentage for manny of 20 percent as against clottey's 27 percent. But manny threw a total of 1,231 punches to clottey's 399 for 12 rounds. So Manny may have missed alot of punches because of Joshua's shell defense, but compared to clottey's output manny still landed alot to win the fight...and clottey missed alot also
and i've been posting this for a long time now----the fighter of the year will be floyd mayweather to give him 3 fighter of the year accolades in his career--his punch output percentage will rise again, coz he's still number 1 in that category---the shots landed against him % will break the record that he holds---shane and manny will land less than 20% of their shots on floyd--and floyd will land close to or at least 50% of his shots on them---and i dare somebody to bet me---just tell me how to bet so we can make this happen---i'll bet millions of points on it---floyd is going to awaken his killer instinct when he fights shane and manny----the most dangerous time i've seen floyd act out in the ring was back in 2005---i call that the gatti year---and mark these words, floyd will not only let his hands go, he will land at will on them both--he will avoid their punches---he will stop manny by round 8---totally dominating him, and he will dominate shane the whole fight, and i can see him stopping shane late also----
remember--floyd is the only complete fighter in boxing--he still holds the compubox record---and has held it for years---manny and shane fans need to prepare themselves for a long night of embarrassment and humiliation from their fighters when they fight floyd---i promise you this---i've broken down thier styles to a tee plenty of times, but i'll be happy to do it again here, if somebody wants to take it there---i'll even tell you what punches he'll trow at him---i'll tell you how he'll feint when he throws them---i'll tell you what punch he'll hurt them with the most if you want me to, and i'll bet my points on it---i dare you to try me----
you can call him every name in the book and me, but none of that will matter come fight night when he beats the living shit out of them---so try me kids----
I don't agree at all, Pacquiao against a very defensive shell fighter in Joshua Clottey produced a compubox stats of power punches for manny 232 of 682 (34 percent) to clottey's 82 of 237 (35 percent), and an overall punch landed percentage for manny of 20 percent as against clottey's 27 percent. But manny threw a total of 1,231 punches to clottey's 399 for 12 rounds, by your logic alone manny should have lost the fight with clottey coz his percentage was only 20 percent as against 27 percent of clottey's. Well guess what, it doesn't necessarily follows, floyd can be 100 percent with his punches but in a round, if he throws only 10 as against manny's 100 punches and manny is atleast 30 percent accurate, that's 10 by floyd to manny's 30 punches landed, accuracy won't win floyd the bout...
and i've been posting this for a long time now----the fighter of the year will be floyd mayweather to give him 3 fighter of the year accolades in his career--his punch output percentage will rise again, coz he's still number 1 in that category---the shots landed against him % will break the record that he holds---shane and manny will land less than 20% of their shots on floyd--and floyd will land close to or at least 50% of his shots on them---and i dare somebody to bet me---just tell me how to bet so we can make this happen---i'll bet millions of points on it---floyd is going to awaken his killer instinct when he fights shane and manny----the most dangerous time i've seen floyd act out in the ring was back in 2005---i call that the gatti year---and mark these words, floyd will not only let his hands go, he will land at will on them both--he will avoid their punches---he will stop manny by round 8---totally dominating him, and he will dominate shane the whole fight, and i can see him stopping shane late also----
remember--floyd is the only complete fighter in boxing--he still holds the compubox record---and has held it for years---manny and shane fans need to prepare themselves for a long night of embarrassment and humiliation from their fighters when they fight floyd---i promise you this---i've broken down thier styles to a tee plenty of times, but i'll be happy to do it again here, if somebody wants to take it there---i'll even tell you what punches he'll trow at him---i'll tell you how he'll feint when he throws them---i'll tell you what punch he'll hurt them with the most if you want me to, and i'll bet my points on it---i dare you to try me----
you can call him every name in the book and me, but none of that will matter come fight night when he beats the living shit out of them---so try me kids----
i think he'll dominate shane, shane may nick 1 or 2 rounds but no more.
i think manny may get a few more rounds from him due to his work rate but floyd will have him well beaten by round 10.
floyd had a SD with dlh.... he won't dominate mosleydlh ko'ed mayorga and shane struggled with him bad----floyd will dominate shane and manny--deal with it crybaby--
okay boxingholic, first of all---have you asked everybody who knows boxing? that'll take a long time---you can only speak on behalf of yourself kiddo---not everyone else--that's not your job---if you think floyd lost, good for you----the record book shows he won---you guys argue with old fights, that are irrelavant to this thread----i said floyd will dominate manny and shane---i didn't put castillo's name in the mox---that fight was 8 years ago now-----focus on present day and furture fights---