So now folks want Pac-Man out of boxing....

Lets wait for the commission.... Why do you keep saying this? I have already said we shouldn't and actually people, who have a lot of pull, should put more pressure on them to get the testing universal in boxing. Let's say GBP came out and said they won't let any fighters fight in Nevada unless OST becomes implemented? How long do you think it would take for them to comply...esp. since you will have the various casino's/bussiness (who also have a lot of pull) will be losing money. BTW let us not forget that Jerry Jones, Rick Perry and a few other big names in Texas are more than likely make a few calls and get Margarito Licensed in Texas. Like I said there are very powerful people in boxing that could easily make OST happen....yet posters like you and others are only blaming Manny. Or even Floyd himself if he was even halfway serious about cleaning up the sport as he says he is already has this kind of pull. You really think the WBC would turn a deaf ear to 1 of it's most decorated champions in history if he presented a case saying he would no longer fight for the wbc belt unless it implemented ost for championship fights???

Exactly.........so since we know that. Can we stop saying lets wait for the commission. If Pac fans think like this then they should understand why its a contract issue. Lets wait for the commission.... Why do you keep saying this? I have already said we shouldn't and actually people, who have a lot of pull, should put more pressure on them to get the testing universal in boxing. Let's say GBP came out and said they won't let any fighters fight in Nevada unless OST becomes implemented? How long do you think it would take for them to comply...esp. since you will have the various casino's/bussiness (who also have a lot of pull) will be losing money. BTW let us not forget that Jerry Jones, Rick Perry and a few other big names in Texas are more than likely make a few calls and get Margarito Licensed in Texas. Like I said there are very powerful people in boxing that could easily make OST happen....yet posters like you and others are only blaming Manny.

There has been so much information posted from experts , you should read some like others do and you wouldnt be so ignorant about PEDs If that's the case how did they catch guys like vargas, nino, chavez jr, funeka??? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Here's another steroid expert that knows everything about PEDs. I bet you got your degree from the very prestigious Mayweather University. Tell us more about PEDs Dr. Reloaded? There has been so much information posted from experts , you should read some like others do and you wouldnt be so ignorant about PEDs

Actually handspeed, even before the commission could do a thing, Floyd rubbed them the wrong way by showing them up. He should have atleast made an effort to go to them first, kinda like an employee goes through a chain of command if he has a problem at work. Basically from the jump it was "the commission test are a joke", so how can anyone expect the commission to intervene when they are shown up by a boxer in the first place? Exactly.........so since we know that. Can we stop saying lets wait for the commission. If Pac fans think like this then they should understand why its a contract issue.

Actually handspeed, even before the commission could do a thing, Floyd rubbed them the wrong way by showing them up. He should have atleast made an effort to go to them first, kinda like an employee goes through a chain of command if he has a problem at work. Basically from the jump it was "the commission test are a joke", so how can anyone expect the commission to intervene when they are shown up by a boxer in the first place?

I thought he passed 11 NSAC tests?? Explain Marion Jones. Then after explaining....why even bother watch boxing if they aren't doing OST which makes them all guilty except for Floyd and Mosley. Will wait for your answer. They are not changing a tyre , the commission has already said that it will take time and procedure to mandate OST testing , dont worry OST will become common place in time , its happening now with many other sports , there was a time they didnt even piss test in boxing and it amazes me that you dont see that times and technology change , the world is making a strong stand against PEDS .

Piss tests are nothing in this day and age and so easy to beat , I guess thats why OST is being sort after by the world sporting bodies ,,,, Pac needs to man up and say Im clean no test bothers me , in todays climate you dont walk away from PEDS testing and give bullshit excuses that the world wont accept it . Here's another steroid expert that knows everything about PEDs. I bet you got your degree from the very prestigious Mayweather University. Tell us more about PEDs Dr. Reloaded?

To be fair during Floyds retirement the threads were actually more then they were now from his haters.

That's a bit misinformed. During the 21 months Floyd retired ALL OF HIS HATERS MADE THREADS. EVERYDAY. MULTIPLE. I know this because I had to leave the site becaus every post I made was "Why are you talking about a retired fighter you don't like". It was tiresome to say the least. I saw alot of haters too. I do remember that, but I recall Floyd fans making just as many (topics). Hell on some days (when the hater count was low), they would bring the haters out with bait topics. Anyway- Both sides did it you right. I believe that Pac retiring will not help boxing. Nor will it run off his fans. That was my point really. I read it in some topic today. It just turned into some thing long, but I am will to adress any ponit in it.

Piss tests are nothing in this day and age and so easy to beat , I guess thats why OST is being sort after by the world sporting bodies ,,,, Pac needs to man up and say Im clean no test bothers me , in todays climate you dont walk away from PEDS testing and give bullshit excuses that the world wont accept it . If that's the case how did they catch guys like vargas, nino, chavez jr, funeka???

I just want to remind all of you. When Floyd retired, all his fan did was make topics about him...Fantasy fights, when he would come back, what he would do when he can back, etc.. The point is, alot of his fans got worst!! They missed their favorite fighter so much, that they would come up with the most idiotic topics for no reason. I read "If Pac goes, maybe his fans will too"..You are wrong. Dead wrong! For the Floyd fans that think this, look in the mirror. Things will only get worst. Pac is a great fighter. Just cause your favorite fighter will not fight him without OST, doesn't mean much, or hold much value to a large majority of fans. I really wish many of you would understand that. Like I said, I have a feeling Manny will not be the only fighter to turn down this request. I saw that Burner made a list of folks that support OST, but there is a problem with that list. I have not seen, or heard any of those people request anything...Paulie is not even doing it for his fight with Khan. I see only one fighter asking for this. The rest of the folks are like most fans (including myself), I like the idea, but not from a single fighter. Floyd is not bigger than the sport of boxing. No matter what any of his fans think. It is Floyd's right to ask for testing, just as it is any other fighters right to turn it down. If there image takes a hit, so be it. I really think the nevada commission is the one dropping the ball hear. Some seen to think that Floyd put Manny's back against the wall. Not true at all. If the commission would have stepped in, and demanded Manny take the test, we would have had the fight. Floyd and Manny are great for boxing...No matter what you think. I really do not think they will ever fight though...Floyd will not drop the demand (really, there is no way he can now..For any fight), Manny will not make the same mistake of saying yes, then backing out, and of course, the commission will not do their job... Sad but true. Pac doesn't need to retire. He has plenty of options. So does Floyd. I really wish the fans of both would give it a rest. On A Side Note: This is not the only site that has gone to hell do to this stupid war of fans. Co-sign. No one gives a sh1t about these test except Floyd. Even GBP thinks these test are b.s., because if they thought otherwise they would implement them in other fights. Hell they don't even have them on the undercards of May vs Mosley. Even sutherland has all of fighters tested on their cards....so believe me it's not impossible like most think. Malignaggi, Cintron and others bash Manny yet they don't even implement testing in their fights. Also all of these drug crusade fans on NSB are full of sh1t because why are they only blaming Manny when all the big names (with a lot of pull) like GBP, HBO and Ross Greenberg, and others aren't doing a damn thing to help clean up the sport either.

Good man.......................... You knew that though. I have said it before.

I wonder why the commision didnt change the urine test yet. Weird huh? /Sarcasm its all about money is cheaper than blood but manny has responsibility as the face of boxing to show the world the sport we all love is clean

That's a bit misinformed. During the 21 months Floyd retired ALL OF HIS HATERS MADE THREADS. EVERYDAY. MULTIPLE. I know this because I had to leave the site becaus every post I made was "Why are you talking about a retired fighter you don't like". It was tiresome to say the least.

It was not just fans that made threads so it would be roughly the same as it is now with back and forth bullshit.

I wasn't going to even reply to this... But- To answer your question. I am all for OST. I just don't take it as personal as some on this site. I don't need to attack Manny, he has already done enough damage by pulling out of the test.... The same can be said about Floyd not being flexable. They both missed out. If Manny says he will only take the test when the comission tells him too, then the comission needs to step up and do their ****ing job!!! Not have a boxer do it for them. Good man..........................

So, are u siding with Manny not to get tested? I wasn't going to even reply to this... But- To answer your question. I am all for OST. I just don't take it as personal as some on this site. I don't need to attack Manny, he has already done enough damage by pulling out of the test.... The same can be said about Floyd not being flexable. They both missed out. If Manny says he will only take the test when the comission tells him too, then the comission needs to step up and do their ****ing job!!! Not have a boxer do it for them.

Piss tests are nothing in this day and age and so easy to beat , I guess thats why OST is being sort after by the world sporting bodies ,,,, Pac needs to man up and say Im clean no test bothers me , in todays climate you dont walk away from PEDS testing and give bullshit excuses that the world wont accept it . I wonder why the commision didnt change the urine test yet. Weird huh? /Sarcasm

I thought he passed 11 NSAC tests?? Piss tests are nothing in this day and age and so easy to beat , I guess thats why OST is being sort after by the world sporting bodies ,,,, Pac needs to man up and say Im clean no test bothers me , in todays climate you dont walk away from PEDS testing and give bullshit excuses that the world wont accept it .