as a brit, david haye is giving brit fighters a bad name

Oh, come on! He's a fat douche with no skills that cries like a baby in the ring. Haye-fan or not, I don't see how he can be more exciting then Haye. And don't give me that Valuev-shit, that was one ****ing fight against an awkward opponent in terms of height etc. WTF has all that to do with being an exciting fighter? Will you still be saying Arreola has no skills if he beats Adamek? But hey I'm going to follow your logic, Haye is a pussy douche that keeps ducking the Klitschkos and that got his belt from the fraud Valuev (whom Holy had already beaten), who only had that belt because the real champion Chagaev had been stripped by the WBA's BS regulations. I don't see how Haye is more exciting than the Klitschkos.

More exciting than Arreola? Doubtful. Oh, come on! He's a fat douche with no skills that cries like a baby in the ring. Haye-fan or not, I don't see how he can be more exciting then Haye. And don't give me that Valuev-shit, that was one ****ing fight against an awkward opponent in terms of height etc.

Haye is more exciting than the small chubby heavyweights the Klits have fought recently. Chambers, Arreola, Peter and the rest. More exciting than Arreola? Doubtful. And it doesn't matter, being exciting doesn't help you prevent the Klitschkos from smashing your face in.

Haye is more exciting than the small chubby heavyweights the Klits have fought recently. Chambers, Arreola, Peter and the rest.One difference. Those guys got in the ring with the Klits, Haye did not and will not. So what good is the "oh so exciting" David Haye when all he does is hide in the UK and fight old, over-the-hill bums?

Haye is more exciting than the small chubby heavyweights the Klits have fought recently. Chambers, Arreola, Peter and the rest.

Carl froch might be as lippy, but he backs it up by fighting the best schooling them then ****ing off. What david haye is doing is embarrassing as his performacne against 38 year old bums. He knows full well that he will get destroyed and turned to mush. But after that video a year ago when he went up to wlad and dissed him etc. He fakes backs injuries and now this??? He knows full well the klit bros are not going to fight each other and he knows full well, that they are bigger names, so the 50 50 is worful. Lets be honest, and im a brit, he is shit scared of them and wants to defend against 38 year old mandatories who have been knocked out in 1 round in 1996... The guy is a horrible person i hope adamek kncoks him out... this guy is a dreamer.

PensionKiller... I'm glad someone has taken it upon themselves to educate you that: Dirrell=Valuev Kessler=Macca Taylor=Barrett is a travesty. Froch's expected opponents in the last 4 fights (Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler) are so far ahead of Haye's cherry picked resume it's a joke.... And this is coming from a big Haye fan who has been watching him for a while.

I'm not comparing styles, I'm comparing quality and results. Valuev is big, but he did better against Haye than against Holyfield in the eyes of most people, and Holyfield is much smaller than Valuev as well, so the 'Valuev was big' argument isn't worth much. Valuev was terrible against a shot Holyfield, Dirrell looked great against Abraham. The size difference doesn't matter because even being far bigger than his opponents, Valuev's results and performances are clearly a level below Dirrell's. I don't think Taylor was 'done' or shot. His movement, technique, speed, timing etc. were all as good as ever. Yeah, his stamina was bad, but it was bad when he beat Bernard Hopkins. BHop did very little for the first 8 rounds, and yet JT was clearly tired late on, so I don't see him fading against Froch as being indicative of major decline. You made the comparisons, then when I point out why I disagree you say that it's difficult to compare heavys and SMWs. Sorry but Holyfield did win in my eyes, but also he did very badly. they both threw very ltitle, but haye got hit less, infact hardly at all. Haye saw the robberry in my eyes and thus fought carefully. You can't lsoe if you don't get hit. Dirrell is a better fighter than valuev for sure, but he was still green vs froch. He made silly msitakes like running and holding too much. Valuev has fought better people than dirrell though As for dirrell, aa style was amde for dirrell. I knew this before the fight and bet so. Dirrell has fast hands, moves and that's trouble for anyone who has a low workrate. let's see how dirrel does vs ward or kessler Taylor has always ahd trouble with people who actually have a high workr ate. I mean he had a close fightr with spinks ffs. manny steward was pissed. hopkins doesnt have a high workrate either. pavlik came in there, and showed that taylor doesnt deal with pressure. he got ktfo. In a rematch with a better weight he got beat again. Taylors chin is shot, he doesnt have the stamina and was only training for 10 rounds before froch. Like hatton, he still has something elft, but when your chin is shot, and the sport you are doign is boxing, that's not a very good thing. Yes it is difficult to compare HW's to SMW's. Let's then say that what haye has done and what froch has done is not comparable. thus hitman's argument is invalid

hey white boi messi scored 4 past your team(arsenal), and bendtner scored for arsenal. robben scored against manunited, and phil mickleson won the us masters...and schooled woods. Must have been a crap week for you... eh when mickeleson took a month out to look after his wife he came back and was dire,woods was out for over 5 months and comes back and finishes 4th in a major so what was your point dipshit and am white asspick:nana:

You can't seriously believe this. If Jermain Taylor got knocked out in his next 10 fights, he'd still be able to beat someone of Cliff Couser's quality. Couser has a 26-21 record and Barrett is the only win he has in his past 12 fights. If Kessler did the same, he'd still be able to beat someone of Lee Swaby's quality. Swaby had a 7-9 record when he knocked out Maccarinelli. The difference in skill and talent between Dirrell and Valuev is incredible. Yeah, Valuev is big, but you are comparing a guy who got schooled by a much smaller, shot old man in his previous fight to a guy who dominated Arthur Abraham. I'm not saying they are the same in style The dirrel that fought froch was still green and actually won in my eyes. It's clear he worked on what he did wrong and is a better fighter. Vaulev isn;t as skilled, but weiging 100lbs heavier and nearly a foot taller, it's not exactly even terms. The taylor that fought froch was done. anyone who can't fight 12 rounds is no longer a top class fighter. he was done vs pavlik twice and lost to aa worse. well pavlik ko'd even faster. OK berrett isn't a great hw at all, he's more a bum, but haye basically went up to hw for the first time and ofcourse that factors into it. (bonin wasn't a proper one realy) Enzo at that point was atleast winning. People may think taylor has somethiung left, but honestly he had some gift decisons and clsoe fights with hopkins and spinks ffs. Enzo lost after haye btw dirrell schooled aa, but he was still green and amde plenty of mistakes vs froch. You can't judge hw and compare vs other weights as easily. one, the fact that there's no limit iun size and weight makes a huge difference, and the other, well these days they are slow etc... but again, taylor is shot to bits. evidence in his losses dirrell actually won in 905 of peopels eyes. rabbitting your way to a home decision is not a win, no matter how pussy the other guy fought

Who the hell have the clits fought in recent years?:dunno: And who the hell has vlad EVER fought?:bs2: No disrespect friend but when you can spell his name right then we can take you serious mate. :boxing:

do you admit vitali better than lennox lewis considering lewis was down 4-2 on all 3 score cards... I'm a Vitali fan dumbass. I feel that he had a great fight, and a rematch would have been a great fight. However I feel Lewis would have won a rematch if he actually was motivated. Vitali was too easy to hit, but a real beast non the less. It wouldn't be easy since Lewis was out of prime. No I really do not rate Haye's Cruiserweight Victories all that highly. I give him credit for the Mormeck win but none for the Enzo win and I thought he had a very rough time with Fragomeni who has since lost to LHW Champion Erdei. I do feel that Froch lost to Dirrell but not as clearly as some people do. Ultimately I blame Andre for not doing enough and I can live with that result. Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler represents a very tough stretch of fights that puts any 4 fight stretch in Haye's career to shame. For the record Haye has actually taken 25 months to fight 4 times against tailor made comp. Froch did his 4 most recent fights in 16 months. Also, last time I checked Froch had never been stopped in embarrassing fashion like David Haye was against Carl Thompson. I would much rather support Froch than Haye. Froch fights like a hardass and he will go out like a warrior everytime. Haye has very little durability and will likely find a soft place to fall against Klitschko and embarrass the people who support him. I respect that. You always give me a good answer my man. For me I see Taylor done. I give Forch credit for coming back after being dropped, like haye was for mormeck. Fought outside their home towns and won. Haye got stopped, but on his legs. He was stupid but that fight was still very good to watch. His 10th fight vs a vet was a abd idea. Now he's gone more conservative like Wlad. Both are more careful I don't agree that Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell and kessler are much more tougher than what haye has done. Ruiz is old, but a tough fighter, valuev is just difficult because he is so huge, barrett was kind of easy yes, but a step up to HW so still an unknown because he had to adjust to the weight, and I think it was Enzo, not a great fighter but still had some bang. I'm a kessler fan, very good fighter and a warm heart, but he has 2 losses. Let's say he's on enzo's level now. Pascal may be lhw champ, but i never see him as a great fighter. he's s brawler type boxer, and played into froch like ruiz played into haye. I'd put these two together. Ruiz is still a good solid fighter, but didn't show anything that was gonna make him win, like pascal Taylor for me was done, he lsot at 160 to pavlik twice. otu boxed and also KO'd. Taylor showed vs AA that he was just not there anymore. Let's say Barrett (Although prime taylor is obviosuly much better) Dirrell and valuev can be compared for me in the sense. Dirrell has a style that will always beat a slow mover and open guy like froch. Valuev is just huge and had a lot of height and weight vs haye. Ofcourse that will be difficult. Remember Kessler and Froch hasn't happened, and Froch for me will lose it. I also feel froch lost to dirrell already. That's boxing and home town decisions happen. Don't get me wrong, Froch has balls and does fight the ebst, but also let's not forget that he is getting apid good money and didn't earn much before. If Haye can get good money, he will surely fight some bigger names, but he's builkding up his name because he isn't that famous like prince naz or lennox lewis.

If the Haye haters haven't worked out why he never fought the K brothers last year by now, they really need to take a trip on the special bus. One word. Setanta.

And who the hell has vlad EVER fought?:bs2:All the top ranked contenders that had the balls to get in the ring with him.

Who the hell have the clits fought in recent years?:dunno: And who the hell has vlad EVER fought?:bs2:

hope vlad vs haye gets made .can't see haye winnin though

The brits are so intelligent at boxing that they thought Valuev was a great champion and undefeated. The brits thought Valuev was a great fighter just because he is 7 feet tall. They thought Haye won the belt from some tremendous boxer. Yup, when in reality Valuev = joke champion that 47 year old Holyfield defeated (but was robbed).

The brits are so intelligent at boxing that they thought Valuev was a great champion and undefeated. The brits thought Valuev was a great fighter just because he is 7 feet tall. They thought Haye won the belt from some tremendous boxer.

I repeat, Haye was never undisputed. Undisputed = having all major belts, Haye never had the IBF belt. He's too retarded to understand that, he should go back on the MMA forums.

I repeat, Haye was never undisputed. Undisputed = having all major belts, Haye never had the IBF belt. Undisputed does not mean having all the belts. Consider a situation in which which Mosely destroys: Mayweather Pac Berto And thus has 3 of the 4 major belts at 147. The IBF is still with some guy that noones ever heard of... does that mean Mosely is disputed by him? Absolutely not of course. Going back to the Haye situation. I'm never sure whether to use the word undisputed with Haye. Sure, he was the lineal champ after KOing Mormeck and he solidified that with a win over WBO holder Macca. Cunningham was a good fighter and had the IBF belt... however there was never any demand for the fight and they didn't call each other out. I'm not saying Cunningham is not a good fighter but I think Haye could have beaten him... so I usually say undisputed but I agree.. there could be a grey area here.