according to Burner, Pacquiao is ony top 30 if he beats pbf-mosley winner

Hes top 5 now. If he beats the winner of FLoyd, and SMM and not both of them. He would be a top 3 no arguments. Because there is nothing more he can do as regards how he beat his opponents. Only have more fights, but that isnt neccesary. He showed what he could clearly do with the fights he had and has had.

Why do you care what he says? You can tell by his posts he's not very bright.

my nephew's opinion probably has more weight than burner's. he's 7. probably more carefully thought out as well.

Burner's opinion is as good as anybody here in NSB, it doesn't matter if he thinks that pac is at top 30 or whatever he wants, the important thing is the boxing historians and boxing experts will put pac at the very high list of ATG thats what really matters.

If dude wins a title at MW that would mean 9 titles in as many classes. Only person close is Oscar with 6. Add to the fact he went from being champ at 112 to being champ at 160, and I guarantee that will leave a huge mental impression on people. just check out all the heat i got on this thread for even bringing up that notion.

As it is now, Manny isn't in the top 20 nor 30 imo. He'll never be in the top 10. If dude wins a title at MW that would mean 9 titles in as many classes. Only person close is Oscar with 6. Add to the fact he went from being champ at 112 to being champ at 160, and I guarantee that will leave a huge mental impression on people.

What happened??? Just a few mins ago i couldnt reply fast enough to all the haters saying how big of a pactard i was. Now all of a sudden noone even wants to reply back to me.:nonono::nonono::nonono::nonono:

I'll be honest I'm a Pactard. My view of old school fighters is all I've seen on youtube. I think Pac is just as fast and as strong as the best of them, if not more. Also I think fighter today are a lot more technically sound. IMO Sugar Ray could easily won 10 belts if he did what Pac did in this era (cmon Diaz to win a belt? Suga rwould have done that in 3 rounds). Having said that I'd place Pac in the top 30 as a biased Pactard. And while I'm no Flomo I think technically speaking Floyd is in the top 10 best technical boxers(not top 10, just based on technicality). If he could beat Floyd I'd say an easy top 20 if not top 15. But like I've said I'm a pactard. I may not be the biggest fan but I've actually seen clips of Louis, Ray, Marciano, Johnson, Armstrong, and more, but they're just clips so it's hard to base it on just that, but too be honest I doubt many fans on here even have actually looked into who Langford was. So I think my opinion counts.

Pac can beat Williams, Floyd, SSM, Bradley, Martinez and he would still not be in the top 10. You straight up sound like a Pactard. If Floyd beats Pac, SSM, Berto, and a few other guys... Can I say Floyd should be in the top 10? How many former flyweight world champions have ever gone on to become bantamweight world champions let alone welterweight world champions??? The fact that the way things are going...floyd vs pac would be for the undisputed and linear welterweight championship....a floyd victory, while not automatic by any means...would warrant serious consideration for top 10 in my opinion.

Why are you avoiding what i've said? "How many rounds did they have to fight back then? How many fights and for how many years did those fighters fight? How frequently did they fight? Sh*t was tougher back then than now is what people have to realize. The same goes for dieting and training. " You can say that all you want but any sane person's top 25 list contradict that statement. Max Rosenbloom won 222fights with only 19knockouts. 13 of which came in his last 20 fights. and yet most people would have several modern era fighters like leonard and hagler several spots higher on the all time list only fighting a fraction of rosenbloom's total rounds fought combined.

Pac is 20 notches above Floyd. If Pac is not in top 30, that puts Floyd outside of 50. :haha: Did I mention Floyd in my post?

Believe me bud i wouldnt put him in the top 10 on a whim. If he beats floyd though it wouldnt be impossible. Like I already said it would depend on the fashion in which he beats floyd and the historical significance the fight would have had. The only way i would put him between ali and armstrong would be if by some miracle he beat pavlik or whoever the rightful middleweight champion is at the time. Pac can beat Williams, Floyd, SSM, Bradley, Martinez and he would still not be in the top 10. You straight up sound like a Pactard. If Floyd beats Pac, SSM, Berto, and a few other guys... Can I say Floyd should be in the top 10?

Believe me bud i wouldnt put him in the top 10 on a whim. If he beats floyd though it wouldnt be impossible. Like I already said it would depend on the fashion in which he beats floyd and the historical significance the fight would have had. The only way i would put him between ali and armstrong would be if by some miracle he beat pavlik or whoever the rightful middleweight champion is at the time. Why are you avoiding what i've said? "How many rounds did they have to fight back then? How many fights and for how many years did those fighters fight? How frequently did they fight? Sh*t was tougher back then than now is what people have to realize. The same goes for dieting and training. "

Stop being such a pactard, Of course he's already in the top 20 but honestly I see him reaching close to the 12-11th spot but him cracking the top 10 is crazy! Believe me bud i wouldnt put him in the top 10 on a whim. If he beats floyd though it wouldnt be impossible. Like I already said it would depend on the fashion in which he beats floyd and the historical significance the fight would have had. The only way i would put him between ali and armstrong would be if by some miracle he beat pavlik or whoever the rightful middleweight champion is at the time.

bullshit. Muhammad Ali only had 61 professional fights and ended his career by losing 3 of his last 4. So in reality his legacy was evaluated from 57 professional fights. Pacquiao has already racked up 56 professional fights. Say what you will about his resume but the man is: 1st fighter to win world championships in 7 weight divisions 1st fighter to win both flyweight and featherweight championships 1st fighter to win both flyweight and superfeatherweight championships 1st fighter to win flyweight and welterweight world championships undeniably the best asian fighter of all time arguably the best southpaw of all time. Achievements such as those carry alot weight when discussing atg lists. How many rounds did they have to fight back then? How many fights and for how many years did those fighters fight? How frequently did they fight? Sh*t was tougher back then than now is what people have to realize. The same goes for dieting and training. Stop being such a pactard, Of course he's already in the top 20 but honestly I see him reaching close to the 12-11th spot but him cracking the top 10 is crazy!

The PI has the best drugs, lol. Even if he beats Pac, SSM, and other fighters he's never going to touch the top 10. The current top 10 have done more for boxing, had better careers, and have better resumes than Pac. Pac can get into the top 20, but that's it. bullshit. Muhammad Ali only had 61 professional fights and ended his career by losing 3 of his last 4. So in reality his legacy was evaluated from 57 professional fights. Pacquiao has already racked up 56 professional fights. Say what you will about his resume but the man is: 1st fighter to win world championships in 7 weight divisions 1st fighter to win both flyweight and featherweight championships 1st fighter to win both flyweight and superfeatherweight championships 1st fighter to win flyweight and welterweight world championships undeniably the best asian fighter of all time arguably the best southpaw of all time. Achievements such as those carry alot weight when discussing atg lists.

Pac is 20 notches above Floyd. If Pac is not in top 30, that puts Floyd outside of 50. :haha: Pac is in the 30's and Floyd is in the 40's.

I think he's top 20 now. If he beats floyd he'd be somewhere between 8-14. If by some miracle he beats Pavlik or whoever is the rightful middleweight champion at the time he'd be between 2-4 somewhere between Armstrong and Ali. The PI has the best drugs, lol. Even if he beats Pac, SSM, and other fighters he's never going to touch the top 10. The current top 10 have done more for boxing, had better careers, and have better resumes than Pac. Pac can get into the top 20, but that's it.

How does beating Mayweather make him 8? Like really? Who is 9 and 10 then? I didnt say it would automatically make him 8th. I said somewhere between 8 and 14th and thats a pretty big leighway because it would have to thoroughly evaluated depending on what fashion he beats floyd, historical signifance of the victory and comparison to the fighters in those spots now. I also quite frankly have not given serious thought to my top 25 in years and dont have the time nor desire to analyze it that deeply. I do know Pacquiao has done enough to be somewher between 16-20 all time though.

As it is now, Manny isn't in the top 20 nor 30 imo. He'll never be in the top 10.