do you know why Dana White is so nice to boxing these days

Schaefer questioned the legitimacy of UFC pay-per-view results that were leaked. He said HBO is a publicly traded company that would face serious repercussions for releasing false numbers. The UFC, he noted, is a private company with no such concerns. “I think the UFC and boxing should be able to co-exist and work together in this thing that we call (combat) sports,” Schaefer said. “I don’t want to talk (expletive) about the UFC. But Dana White can’t do an interview without knocking boxing. If he thinks we’re idiots and don’t know anything about the pay-per-view business, I’ll make him a challenge. “I am willing to hire one of the top three accounting firms, at my expense, and do an audit of his pay-per-view results. They are nowhere near what is put into the public. There is talk that UFC 100 did 1.6 million, but it barely broke a million. I am willing to pay to have the audits done to prove this.” White said he would not allow anyone other than fighters with a contractual right to do so to audit his numbers. “Do you think I’m (expletive) crazy?” he said. Do you also denounce those who use the scientific systems of calculus and economics as people on the take as well?

Its because the UFC is going downhill fast and hes not in a position to talk smack now.The numbers from UFC 110 are in and there beyond bad. In 2009 the UFC averaged 620,000 buys per ppv event. If we look at the percentage each event was above or below that average we can definitely see a downward trend from 100. UFC 100 1,600,000 + 245% UFC 101 850,000 + 29% UFC 102 435,000 -30% UFC 103 375,000 -40% UFC 104 500,000 -20% UFC 106 375,000 -40% UFC 107 620,000 +/- 0 UFC 108 300,000 -51% UFC 109 275,000 -55% UFC 110 240,000 -62% Average with title on line 820,000 Average with non-title main event 370,000 What does wanting to see Pac/Clottey have to do with these numbers?

Its because the UFC is going downhill fast and hes not in a position to talk smack now.The numbers from UFC 110 are in and there beyond bad. In 2009 the UFC averaged 620,000 buys per ppv event. If we look at the percentage each event was above or below that average we can definitely see a downward trend from 100. UFC 100 1,600,000 + 245% UFC 101 850,000 + 29% UFC 102 435,000 -30% UFC 103 375,000 -40% UFC 104 500,000 -20% UFC 106 375,000 -40% UFC 107 620,000 +/- 0 UFC 108 300,000 -51% UFC 109 275,000 -55% UFC 110 240,000 -62% Average with title on line 820,000 Average with non-title main event 370,000 People were put off once they heard that the steroid demon superstar Brock Lesnar got hurt, and wont be back until summer. Im a fan of both mma and boxing, of course more Boxing, but I respect both sports. UFC to me im honestly losing interest man, and I didnt order the last one even though my favorite fighter Minotauro Nogueira was fighting, and im glad I didnt because id have been ashamed to see a legend of MMA get embarassed like he did against Cain Velasquez... Anyways thats besides the point, that Im pretty hyped up about James Toney vs ??? Whoever he fights, because I want to see how he does... But this is the UFC title match situations are... Lightweight Belt, BJ Penn (champ) vs Frankie Edgar... Who is Frankie Edgar? Ive never seen a fight from this guy not on ****e TV nor PPV, where did he come from? Welterweight, George St. Pierre(champ) vs Dan Hardy... A british red mohawk donning fighting who has not beat a real quality opponent yet in my opinion, and I can name a few other guys who should have been a shoe in for a title shot, Josh Koscheck and Paulo Thiago... Middleweight, Anderson Silve (of course champ) vs. Demian Maia, whos a decent fighter, but by all means I dont think he deserves a shot either, and hes replacing an injured Vitor Belfort, whos a legend of MMA but doesnt deserve a shot either for beating a shot Rich Franklin in Vitor's first UFC fight in years, now he's in title consideration? Bullshit, in fact noone in MW deserves a title shot, the division is an embarrassment right now. Then there's the light heavyweight championship between Lyoto Machida and Shogun Rua, where the champ Machida spent the whole fight "counter striking" but his definition of countering was taking kicks to the legs all day and just trying to get away from the man who shouldve gotten the decision, but was robbed by the judges, and clearly was the winner of that fight... And the real Heavyweight champion is Brock Lesnar, but theyre having an "interim" title match between Frank Mir vs Shane Carwin, whos an 11-0 newcomer that atleast matches Lesnar on size, but he's only beaten Gabriel Gonzaga and thats the only notable name on his whole resume, if you wanna even call it notable. Frank Mir, whos already fought Lesnar twice, and if they meet again itll be Brocks 6th fight and 3rd time fighting Mir, lets see him against someone else already damn, this guy wont beat Brock he got dominated both times and got lucky the first time... So this is why the UFC is going downhill!

Its because the UFC is going downhill fast and hes not in a position to talk smack now.The numbers from UFC 110 are in and there beyond bad. In 2009 the UFC averaged 620,000 buys per ppv event. If we look at the percentage each event was above or below that average we can definitely see a downward trend from 100. UFC 100 1,600,000 + 245% UFC 101 850,000 + 29% UFC 102 435,000 -30% UFC 103 375,000 -40% UFC 104 500,000 -20% UFC 106 375,000 -40% UFC 107 620,000 +/- 0 UFC 108 300,000 -51% UFC 109 275,000 -55% UFC 110 240,000 -62% Average with title on line 820,000 Average with non-title main event 370,000 screw dana white and ufc..

good f.uck dana white http://i36.tinypic.com/i44lmq.jpg

Joshua Clottey, a guy that no one outside of hardcore boxing fans know, is gonna get paid possibly more than every fighter on whatever next UFC PPV card's salary will be getting paid. Manny Pacquiao is gonna get paid what 40 UFC fighters make in two UFC PPV cards altogether....in just one HBO PPV. So who's dying to make UFC type numbers again? :lol1:

difference is the quality of UFC fights compares to boxing at the moment. Boxing is stacked. from bantamweights all the way up to supermiddle there are high quality match ups (not to mention over half of these matches are for FREE! on hbo and showtime) which is awesome. I hate shelling out $50 for huge UFC letdowns (as of late) but im looking forward to Brock returning, or atleast the GSP hardy fight. UFC needs a to get a major network like strikeforce has with showtime so they can kick down some free live events.

UFC has to have 10 fights on the undercard. Only Brock, GSP, Silva, Fedor can match the same numbers of a major boxing event. but in comparison ....wreslemania can sell just as many...maybe more, but who gives a shit

do you know that boxing would kill for those ppv numbers? ufc 100 did more than pac-cotto. ufc 101 did more than mayweather-marquez to some sources. The top five Pay Per Fighting events of 2009 are as follows: 1.) UFC 100 Lesnar vs Mir / St Pierre vs Alves - 1,500,000+ buys 2.) Pacquiao vs Cotto - 1,250,000 buys 3.) UFC 101 - Penn vs Florian / A. Silva vs Griffin - 1,100,000 buys 4.) Mayweather vs. Marquez - 1,000,000+ buys 5.) UFC 94 - Penn vs St Pierre 2 - 800,000 buys he has advantages boxing does not. he controls a majority of the top fighters. all he has to do is click his fingers and he can make a fight happen. boxing needs superstars to do good ppv numbers. ufc just puts on a show and it'll do solid numbers. i don't know why. it seems casual fans watch boxing if there's a big fight on. ufc can get casual fans just by having a show. maybe it's because boxing sells names. that's why the big name boxing events will usually do better than big name ufc events. however ufc sells the event itself not just the name. that's why non-big events outdo non-big boxing events. Lol you also left out how one boxer from a PPV main event, makes more than every fighter in one UFC PPV make as a whole. So let's say $3-5Mill will be distributed to every fighter on the UFC 100 card(not each, they will share it). The lowest fighter on that card would probably make $10-50k, the highest paid fighter would get paid around 300k with a win bonus maybe 450k-600k. MMA can sell all they want, the lesser known pro boxers make as much as the most famous UFC fighters..and that's a fact. Don't believe me? UFC 100 Five Ounces Of Pain http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/13/ufc-100-fighter-salaries/ See for yourself.

You don't know wtf you're talking about. De La Hoya-Mayweather was the be all end all when it was made, Lewis-Tyson a few years before, and De La Hoya-Trinidad a couple before that. Who ever comes out the winner of Mayweather-Pacquiao will consistently sell a million ppvs, the loser will still do a consistent 700K. Whoever beats them becomes a star and whoever emerges out of other divisions to become a star. This shit will never stop. That's going through the motions---these guys are not going to be around another 5 years and tell me other stars right now who have star quality like Gayweather and Pacroid? None. Amir Con? The geriatric Juan Manuel Marquez?

i just laugh at all these guys who want to downgrade ufc. ufc is no threat to boxing. ufc's main competition is wwe/wwf not boxing. a lot of mma fans are also boxing fans and vice versa. mma is only a threat to wwe because it supplies a real version similar to pro wrestling. He started the whole boxing is dead shit again, he got all these gullible idiots saying it everywhere. Now you want some sort of peace treaty? **** that, boxing fans should keep their boot on mmas neck. You people don't know anything...Dana White is waiting for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight! Why? because that is the last meaningful fight for the next decade involving two of the best P4p fighters....aftewards there is nothing left for boxing except for contenders which UFC has been able to handle thus far...think Mcfly..think. Dana is sitting back and relaxing watching boxing go downhill. You don't know wtf you're talking about. De La Hoya-Mayweather was the be all end all when it was made, Lewis-Tyson a few years before, and De La Hoya-Trinidad a couple before that. Who ever comes out the winner of Mayweather-Pacquiao will consistently sell a million ppvs, the loser will still do a consistent 700K. Whoever beats them becomes a star and whoever emerges out of other divisions to become a star. This shit will never stop.

no shit? thank you for telling me something i already knew and had nothing to do with what we were talking about. he was talking about live gates in vegas for mma and boxing. the ufc didn't start holding events in vegas 'til later on. they were banned from a lot states in the beginning. shooto was more shoot wrestling than mma in the beginning btw. it didn't adopt typical mma rules 'til later. Oh alright. I thought you just meant that mma was created in general.

You people don't know anything...Dana White is waiting for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight! Why? because that is the last meaningful fight for the next decade involving two of the best P4p fighters....aftewards there is nothing left for boxing except for contenders which UFC has been able to handle thus far...think Mcfly..think. Dana is sitting back and relaxing watching boxing go downhill.

you realize that mma has only started in vegas back in like 2002-2003 right? MMA started in 1989(Shooto). UFC started in 93.

i just laugh at all these guys who want to downgrade ufc. ufc is no threat to boxing. ufc's main competition is wwe/wwf not boxing. a lot of mma fans are also boxing fans and vice versa. mma is only a threat to wwe because it supplies a real version similar to pro wrestling. I agree with you about the WWE being its main competition.If you look at the ppv buys for the WWE they have really gone down since the UFC became popular.

Why do people call UFC a fad? Don't get upset just because there is a new combat sport on the block. You don't like MMA, whoopty doo. No reason to reiterate it every thread that it pops up in. I don't like Heavyweight boxers, do you see me posting in Eddie Chambers and Klitschko threads? No. Dana White started his managing/promoting career in the Boxing world. He knows what he is doing. It has nothing to do with UFC dying, MMA going down, it's a fad. HE ENJOYS A GOOD FIGHT. Stop being a fucking stupid. UFC isn't going anywhere. We are in the age of instant communication. People have caught on incredibly fast. And the fans aren't just in it for a fad. Unlike you douche bags, they simply enjoy watching people fight. Go watch boxing and stop talking about MMA if you hate it so much.

Its because the UFC is going downhill fast and hes not in a position to talk smack now.The numbers from UFC 110 are in and there beyond bad. In 2009 the UFC averaged 620,000 buys per ppv event. If we look at the percentage each event was above or below that average we can definitely see a downward trend from 100. UFC 100 1,600,000 + 245% UFC 101 850,000 + 29% UFC 102 435,000 -30% UFC 103 375,000 -40% UFC 104 500,000 -20% UFC 106 375,000 -40% UFC 107 620,000 +/- 0 UFC 108 300,000 -51% UFC 109 275,000 -55% UFC 110 240,000 -62% Average with title on line 820,000 Average with non-title main event 370,000 In spite of the fad "buzz", the UFC has never come close to being as popular as boxing. If you go to the website of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, there is a page that lists the top grossing boxing and MMA events (paid gates) held in that state. The top grossing MMA event (Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz) would not crack the top 35 in boxing. In fact, the live gate for that event was less than the live gate for the Larry Holmes-Muhammad Ali match which was fought in 1980!

can't understand why people even care. I also don't understand how people can't be a fan of both.

do you know that boxing would kill for those ppv numbers? ufc 100 did more than pac-cotto. ufc 101 did more than mayweather-marquez to some sources. The top five Pay Per Fighting events of 2009 are as follows: 1.) UFC 100 Lesnar vs Mir / St Pierre vs Alves - 1,500,000+ buys 2.) Pacquiao vs Cotto - 1,250,000 buys 3.) UFC 101 - Penn vs Florian / A. Silva vs Griffin - 1,100,000 buys 4.) Mayweather vs. Marquez - 1,000,000+ buys 5.) UFC 94 - Penn vs St Pierre 2 - 800,000 buys you know that ufc 100 had every single one of the ufc stars on one card. Pacquiao and Cotto did 1.25 alone Ufc is dieing because it got old fast. Tons of hype..same outcome. Random new champ.

boxing needs superstars to do good ppv numbers. ufc just puts on a show and it'll do solid numbers. i don't know why. it seems casual fans watch boxing if there's a big fight on. ufc can get casual fans just by having a show. maybe it's because boxing sells names. that's why the big name boxing events will usually do better than big name ufc events. however ufc sells the event itself not just the name. that's why non-big events outdo non-big boxing events. The vast majority of UFC fans are trend followers.Thats why they can sell alot of cards that are not worth the money.The numbers show that the trend followers are starting to go away.Most boxing fans wont pay for a bad card like the UFC fans will.