Interesting a Floyd and Pac

Even his own father admit that dela hoya should have won. Floyd Sr. and Floyd Jr. weren't on speaking terms at the time. If you believe that Sr. was being truthful then I have a bride to sell you in London. Since we're taking everything 100% seriously that someone says, and there are no sour grapes involved, Ricky Hatton said that the version of himself that fought Floyd at 147 was better than the version that Pacquiao fought at 140. Sour grapes aren't implied here right?

I dont give a damn about the HBO announcers. neither fighter landed very many punches clean. Floyd landed more clean punches but they were few and far between. Trumped by the fact Oscar brought the fight to floyd all night and floyd was happy to lay on the ropes and allow him to rack up points. I had Oscar winning the first 8 rounds and Floyd the rest. Just felt he started his comeback too late. Same way as 1 judge saw the fight. Just depends on the judge's scoring criteria. but it wasnt insane or delusional like flomos make it seem. You had Oscar winning 8 rounds to 4 ends our discussion!

don't want to interfer in your discussion, but I just laughed at the guy saying DLH Mayweather was controversial, ahahah. The only thing controversial is that it was a SD instead of a Ud I agree. I gave De La Hoya 3 rounds in that fight, no more than 4. That fight was hardly controversial at all, except to people who want to create arguments out of thin air, or are seeing something that no one else is seeing.

Judging from this post, you must be a disgruntled PBF supporter. Both PBF and Manny are the truth. Me? I like both Pac and Floyd. I had Pac wins both Marquez fights but they were close. Manny's power trumped Marquez's skill in my book. I have stated it often back when Hamed was my favorite fighter I wanted him to avoid Pacquaio because I his skill was tremendous. As far as being a disgruntled PBF supporter that's laughable. To me if you love boxing you have to love because he does it the best at the highest level. He outclasses everyone. He's been in the game for over a decade and unlike every other championship level fighter, he's never been down, never been in real trouble and the one instance he was he whopped the guy all night. Disgruntled is not the word for me. I have written many articles and interviewed all the top fighters. I took a break because writing for boxing don't pay the bills. I love the sport and appreciate all the great fighters in it. I laugh at people who talk nonsense about fighters being p*ssy and scared. Do you know what it is to lace the gloves up. I am happy at the state of boxing with Floyd and Manny being so big, cats like Alexander, Dawson, Bradly, Khan etc coming up. But I had a question and whenever someone questions Manny you are all of a sudden a Pac hater and a Floyd lover. I love both. If Floyd had fought anyone but P Will or Shane I would have been mad. So chill homie

Floyd has one disputed win and he jumps right back in the ring and fights the guy and beats him easy. Manny gets knocked out and never avenges that lost. Gets knocked out again does not avenge that lost. Has a draw with Agapito Sanchez, never fights him again. Draws with Marquez fights him four years later wins a controversial decision (I thought he won it) then avoids him like the plague. He lost to Erik Morales and I have to give him credit for signing to rematch him. Morales losing to Raheem was not his fault. But people talk about this warrior attitude and in the ring he does fight hard and does have a lot of heart (that's why I love seeing him fight and he is one of my favorites). But isn't it a little curious that this warrior seems a bit reluctant to correct his missteps in the ring? And is the aforementioned Floyd supposed to be the scared one but yet he wasnt afraid to jump right back into the ring with the only man who possibly beat him? Please share thoughts and please refrain from the Flomo/Pactard nonsense. I'm asking a question. Judging from this post, you must be a disgruntled PBF supporter. Both PBF and Manny are the truth.

Question, what did Manny expect the answer to be? So why arent you knocking Marquez's warrior spirit when he had the opportunity to get pacquiao to sign a rematch contract right there on the spot with all the terms in his favor and didnt?? Second, So Arum thought Morales needed a rematch after a KO and Barrera needed a rematch after get destroyed? Morales rematch was already signed before Morales lost to Raheem. The Raheem fight was also at lightweight and Morales deemed simply too small 4 the division and would have little impact on his ability to compete at 130. The Barrera rematch was because Barrera was the division champion for 4 years and had just lost a hotly disputed split decision against Marquez. Barrera wanted his belt back. Pacquiao was the mandatory challenger 4 the belt. hence the rematch. You make it seem like they did it just to do it. Third, what boxing fan thought that Manny was clearly the better fighter after those two fights? Cause personally what I got from those fights is that Marquez is the better all around fighter and that Manny had more power. Noone; I especially have never said Pac was clearly better than Marquez after 2 fights. Both fighters feel they won both fights. It went Pacquiao's way. Not possible to duck someone you've already fought twice and knocked down 4x in the process. AS for the De La Hoya fight, That was a clear 8-4 , 9-3, all you have to do is score the rounds and compare to the judges, you'll see how off they were. Oscar is a favorite of the HBO announcers. Here's my proof: At the ten minute mark, Floyd buckles Oscar badly. Not a mention of it by Lampley. I wonder why not? I dont give a damn about the HBO announcers. neither fighter landed very many punches clean. Floyd landed more clean punches but they were few and far between. Trumped by the fact Oscar brought the fight to floyd all night and floyd was happy to lay on the ropes and allow him to rack up points. I had Oscar winning the first 8 rounds and Floyd the rest. Just felt he started his comeback too late. Same way as 1 judge saw the fight. Just depends on the judge's scoring criteria. but it wasnt insane or delusional like flomos make it seem.

Arum felt Pacquiao beat Marquez twice already so there was nothing left to prove. Marquez went to the philippines and followed Pacquiao around with a contract to give him a rematch. Pacquiao got fed up eventually and during an interview looked at Marquez and said "I will sign that contract right now under 1 condition. that you admit that you lost" Marquez shut up and gave up the quest thereafter and simply enjoyed the rest of his vacation in the philippines. Question, what did Manny expect the answer to be? Second, So Arum thought Morales needed a rematch after a KO and Barrera needed a rematch after get destroyed? Third, what boxing fan thought that Manny was clearly the better fighter after those two fights? Cause personally what I got from those fights is that Marquez is the better all around fighter and that Manny had more power. AS for the De La Hoya fight, That was a clear 8-4 , 9-3, all you have to do is score the rounds and compare to the judges, you'll see how off they were. Oscar is a favorite of the HBO announcers. Here's my proof: At the ten minute mark, Floyd buckles Oscar badly. Not a mention of it by Lampley. I wonder why not?

Floyd also has a controversial victory over Oscar delahoya and never rematched. Pacquiao offered an immediate rematch to Marquez which i believe Marquez would have won decisively if they had agreed but team Marquez declined because they wanted 50/50. instead he fights Chris John in indonesia for 30k and loses. removing all demand for a pacquiao rematch until pacquiao knocked out morales. You've got to be a little over a half dozen kinds of stupid to think Oscar won that fight... or watching it drunk with pre-set biases. :trink26:

the only thing controversial about that fight was the judge who scored for Oscar. And yet there was a 3rd judge who scored it 114-113. It was alot closer fight to the unbiased than flomos make it seem.

alright lets get this clear, anyone who says Floyd-DLH was a controversial fight isn't not only unfit to judge a boxing match, but unfit to talk about the sport entirely. lets just get that straight, anyways good points by the TS. I would've liked to see Pac-Sanchez II.....Sanchez was givin his nuts the business fixed it for you.

alright lets get this clear, anyone who says Floyd-DLH was a controversial fight isn't not only unfit to judge a boxing match, but unfit to talk about the sport entirely. lets just get that straight, anyways good points by the TS. I would've liked to see Pac-Sanchez II.....Sanchez was givin him the business So you're telling us Floyd Sr. doesn't know about boxing at all?

alright lets get this clear, anyone who says Floyd-DLH was a controversial fight isn't not only unfit to judge a boxing match, but unfit to talk about the sport entirely. lets just get that straight, anyways good points by the TS. I would've liked to see Pac-Sanchez II.....Sanchez was givin him the business

Mannys combination of insane speed and power scare the shit out of Floyd. Quit crying.

No, Pac the warrior should have made the fight happen. Go look at the post fight interview he wanted nothing to do with Marquez. He was bailed out by Marquez who made outrageous demands after Pacman fought Diaz. Fact remains that Manny didn't make his people make the fight with Marquez to end controversy. Floyd immediately fought Castillo in a rematch but he's supposed to be a reluctant fighter! Arum felt Pacquiao beat Marquez twice already so there was nothing left to prove. Marquez went to the philippines and followed Pacquiao around with a contract to give him a rematch. Pacquiao got fed up eventually and during an interview looked at Marquez and said "I will sign that contract right now under 1 condition. that you admit that you lost" Marquez shut up and gave up the quest thereafter and simply enjoyed the rest of his vacation in the philippines.

Now i'm getting confused...are you dis-agreeing with your first post now? No, Pac the warrior should have made the fight happen. Go look at the post fight interview he wanted nothing to do with Marquez. He was bailed out by Marquez who made outrageous demands after Pacman fought Diaz. Fact remains that Manny didn't make his people make the fight with Marquez to end controversy. Floyd immediately fought Castillo in a rematch but he's supposed to be a reluctant fighter!

I believe his two KO's were because of weight drain. Immediately after those fights he came up in weight even jumping two divisions in one. The Marquez rematch didn't materialize earlier because as we all now know, Marquez has a pretty bad Manager in Don Nacho. He had a chance of fighting Pac again for the 3rd time, but he thinks he's the A side. He had a chance of KOing Khan, but he feels he's being used. So there you go. So we're going to discredit the knockout losses because of weight drain? Did you see those fights? Seems to me that he just caught with good shots and didnt take them well. I don't see what was wrong with a 50/50 split immediately after the second fight. They fought evenly. I saw Shane lose fights to Vernon and Winky and went right back at them because he wanted to set the recored straight.

After Marquez lost to Floyd I thought a 50/50 was crazy. But Immediately after the rematch 50/50 was a fair deal but once Pac went on his historic run Marquez lost all bargaining power and it was ridiculous to even ask for an even split. Now i'm getting confused...are you dis-agreeing with your first post now?

Floyd has one disputed win and he jumps right back in the ring and fights the guy and beats him easy. Manny gets knocked out and never avenges that lost. Gets knocked out again does not avenge that lost. Has a draw with Agapito Sanchez, never fights him again. Draws with Marquez fights him four years later wins a controversial decision (I thought he won it) then avoids him like the plague. He lost to Erik Morales and I have to give him credit for signing to rematch him. Morales losing to Raheem was not his fault. But people talk about this warrior attitude and in the ring he does fight hard and does have a lot of heart (that's why I love seeing him fight and he is one of my favorites). But isn't it a little curious that this warrior seems a bit reluctant to correct his missteps in the ring? And is the aforementioned Floyd supposed to be the scared one but yet he wasnt afraid to jump right back into the ring with the only man who possibly beat him? Please share thoughts and please refrain from the Flomo/Pactard nonsense. I'm asking a question. I believe his two KO's were because of weight drain. Immediately after those fights he came up in weight even jumping two divisions in one. The Marquez rematch didn't materialize earlier because as we all now know, Marquez has a pretty bad Manager in Don Nacho. He had a chance of fighting Pac again for the 3rd time, but he thinks he's the A side. He had a chance of KOing Khan, but he feels he's being used. So there you go.

sanchez died a few years ago. And torrecampo is wanted for murder in the philippines. Haha. Lol. Just some random info. ad if he fought these guys today pac would be wanted for murder to lol........

Floyd also has a controversial victory over Oscar delahoya and never rematched. Pacquiao offered an immediate rematch to Marquez which i believe Marquez would have won decisively if they had agreed but team Marquez declined because they wanted 50/50. instead he fights Chris John in indonesia for 30k and loses. removing all demand for a pacquiao rematch until pacquiao knocked out morales. Even his own father admit that dela hoya should have won.