Not at all. Those 2 plus Zab and Baldomir do not make an ATG WW.
Baldi and Zab were the Number 1 and 2 WW's when Floyd fought them. Cant take that away from him.
Mosley is Number 2.
Pac is Number 1.
Hatton. (Not a real WW )
JMM at WW (Same as Hatton)
Few more wins and thats a solid resume at WW.
Mosley Pacquiao Cotto Marg or Clottey or both....Id say hes the best WW. Im betting hes gonna beat Mosley (due to styles or $$) If he beats Pac and convincingly you can start making the claim...but a couple of more top WWs wouldn't hurt.
Pac
Mosley
Williams
Would be some huge wins at that weight.
He would have a hard time being in the top 10-15. Like El Jesus said though, it's better to give these guys time to finish their careers before analyzing their historic standing.
Robinson
Leonard
Armstrong
Napoles
Griffith
Gavilan
Burley
Ross
Hearns
Trinidad
Walker
Curry
Palomino
McLarnin
Rodriguez
Whitaker
Cuevas
and more. Very talent rich division historically, obviously.
No doubt I feel where you coming from. Its extremely deep with ATG's its a longshot for him to get ranked in that division.
Off Topic, Mayhew not messing around. Van De Bosch and Burleson. It one day. Im with that.
Ey bro..just notcied ur Karma...Hit a fellow Michigan with some K...lol.
He would have a hard time being in the top 10-15. Like El Jesus said though, it's better to give these guys time to finish their careers before analyzing their historic standing.
Robinson
Leonard
Armstrong
Napoles
Griffith
Gavilan
Burley
Ross
Hearns
Trinidad
Walker
Curry
Palomino
McLarnin
Rodriguez
Whitaker
Cuevas
and more. Very talent rich division historically, obviously.
I won't lie and say I know my history completely, but you have to be in the top 10 as a guess.
OK Mosely is not prime, and Pac isn't a great WW himself, but he is an ATG.
Baldomir is OK.
Judah is decent.
Hatton was OK.
Mosely is good.
Pac is great.
If he wins.
how is pac top in the division when he hasn't even fought at 147 yet?
ya'll need to forget pac...he's a cherry picker...dont take my word for it take freddys
haha....when did I say that? I'm talking about Floyd.
I don't know if he has the depth at the weight.
If what he says about fighting 4 more times is true and he is fighting top guys in the division including Mosley and Pac, then his resume will actually be solid at the weight...will probably sneak up on people.
how is pac top in the division when he hasn't even fought at 147 yet?
ya'll need to forget pac...he's a cherry picker...dont take my word for it take freddys
he would be up there if he fought cotto before his first retirement, i mean he retired when margs, williams, cotto , were all at the top of their game in the WW division. and his reason for leaving was he had nothing to prove. for me thats something he will never get a chance to do again. a couple years ago that division looked like an all time great division and he could have attempted to clean it out. its still good, but cotto has lost now, margs is pretty much out, williams moved up. so i dont know. if he beat mosley, pacquiao, and then williams than i would have him up there with the all time greats.
I don't know if he has the depth at the weight.
If what he says about fighting 4 more times is true and he is fighting top guys in the division including Mosley and Pac, then his resume will actually be solid at the weight...will probably sneak up on people.
ya'll just hate him cuz of his mouth and THATS IT FOLKS.
floyd is the best welter and best fighter...SKILL WISE, in the sport. ever wonder why hes undefeated?
is there really a point to asking these questions while someones career is still going? i mean lets be real, who in the fukk sits there with their top lists and then periodically adjusts and reranks them based on recent events? fukking nobody, especially when talking ATGs. Most people on this site, including myself, have a tough time remember who did what when and where especially in a historically great division like welter, let alone what a guy with less than 10 fights at that weight would rank in that particular division
Its a valid discussion. It beats Floyd vs. Pac talk. Hes already an ATG Super Feather Weight, WW would be his next best class to make a case for. No one asked for an exact ranking just a range. I think some guys can rattle off some top ATG WW's not everyone though.
is there really a point to asking these questions while someones career is still going? i mean lets be real, who in the fukk sits there with their top lists and then periodically adjusts and reranks them based on recent events? fukking nobody, especially when talking ATGs. Most people on this site, including myself, have a tough time remember who did what when and where especially in a historically great division like welter, let alone what a guy with less than 10 fights at that weight would rank in that particular division
what he said is how i also feel on this matter
Not near the top 25
Thats what I was thinking Top 25-30 at WW. He was a Lineal Champ, Undefeated at that weight, and fought Judah the Number 2 guy, Baldi the number 1, Shane is the Number 2 guy, and Pac is the Number one guy. Shane and Pac also the 1 and 3 best in the world at any weight. I think he would have a good case for 25-30 range.
#1 guy
#2 guy
#2 guy
#1 guy