Does Abraham have 1 loss?

All people on here that had JT winning are just fanboys who can't get over AA retiring Taylor for good... ...this was a draw at best for JT going into the last round...and why people would pick on an unjustified point deduction for JT is beyond me. Taylor landed a lotta low between rounds 4-6 and the one he got the deduction was clearly on AA's cup (mabe the reason why Arthur's trunks torn apart). Btw, I had it 6-5 rounds ala 105-103 for AA before round 12...

I thought Miranda beat Abraham the first fight also. Taylor had a unfair point deducted from his when he fought Abraham also. I thought Abraham was down on points going into round 12 with Taylor. Abraham if i remember right did not do much for over half the fight. totaly agree with you a remember everyone praising abraham a had taylor winning due to the fact he was trowing punches abraham done jacksht in that fight apart from the ko i have always wanted to know what the punches thrown and landed are from that fight

I had Miranda winning the 1st fight.

It is funny because before the rematch there was a lot of people on here defending Abraham's win in Germany. People said the rematch would settle the argument and it wouldnt matter anymore. As time has passed, people still cant forget about what happened in Germany. The rematch didnt make anyone forget. If Miranda would have won the 2nd fight, I think people would have then been happy and thought justice had been served. But Miranda looked like crap and it was far from the war people had yearned to see. Maybe if Miranda can get by Bute, he will get a 'rubber' match with Abraham. But that is a big maybe and getting way ahead of myself. I think most people, myself included, expected the second fight to be much more competitive than it turned out. I guess most didn't acknowledge that Arthur was fighting very substandard with the broken jaw. I think the lopsidedness of the second fight can be attributed more to AA being better without the injury than to Miranda flopping.

^^^That's what i was thinking at the time as well. It even went so far as Abrahams corner was taken to a civil court for forcing him to continue. Still it's a win for Abraham as it was. All controversies was settled in the rematch anyway. It is funny because before the rematch there was a lot of people on here defending Abraham's win in Germany. People said the rematch would settle the argument and it wouldnt matter anymore. As time has passed, people still cant forget about what happened in Germany. The rematch didnt make anyone forget. If Miranda would have won the 2nd fight, I think people would have then been happy and thought justice had been served. But Miranda looked like crap and it was far from the war people had yearned to see. Maybe if Miranda can get by Bute, he will get a 'rubber' match with Abraham. But that is a big maybe and getting way ahead of myself.

I thought Miranda should have won for a number of reasons - first off, 5 points was ridiculously bad. Second, Abraham clearly "quit" or didn't want to continue when there was like that 10 minutes of everyone trying to figure out what the hell was going on. The fight should have been stopped right then and there. With that said, he didn't technically lose and he beat Miranda in the rematch badly, so it erases any doubts of who was/is the better fighter. I will always believe Miranda got screwed that night in Germany though, but that's part of the risk fighting in another guys backyard. ^^^That's what i was thinking at the time as well. It even went so far as Abrahams corner was taken to a civil court for forcing him to continue. Still it's a win for Abraham as it was. All controversies was settled in the rematch anyway.

A.A almost deserved the win just for making it to the end of the fight with his jaw Abraham was a warrior and had a huge heart during that fight, but that does not justify him getting the win.

A.A almost deserved the win just for making it to the end of the fight with his jaw

Miranda was robbed in every way possible in the first fight, and check my favorite fighters list. I just can't lie about what I saw...

It was just so ****ed up how the doctor said Abraham could not continue and even Abraham wanted to stop. Then they find out they lose by TKO and all of a sudden everyone changes their minds. You know you are in trouble when the ringside doctor is cheering you on screaming 'You can do it!' Only in Germany....... Indeed. There are so many instances of disgraceful things happening in events in Germany that there has got to be serious grounds for not allowing that country to host world title fights.

I thought Edison deserved the call without all the deductions. I haven't watched it for a while but always had AA losing, sans the ref. This. But when you lose 5 pts to fouls, you can't expect to win a decision.

I already spoke on this but once again, isnt it illegal for a ref to tell a corner they would lose by tko if they quit. It was just so ****ed up how the doctor said Abraham could not continue and even Abraham wanted to stop. Then they find out they lose by TKO and all of a sudden everyone changes their minds. You know you are in trouble when the ringside doctor is cheering you on screaming 'You can do it!' Only in Germany.......

he will.....

LOL, refs when they get to Germany suddenly prevent you from boxing. Remember Ottke vs Reid. Reid got warned for fighting. That was one of the most awesomely bad things I've ever seen in my life. I got to make a gif of that.

I thought Miranda beat Abraham the first fight also. Taylor had a unfair point deducted from his when he fought Abraham also. I thought Abraham was down on points going into round 12 with Taylor. Abraham if i remember right did not do much for over half the fight.

I already spoke on this but once again, isnt it illegal for a ref to tell a corner they would lose by tko if they quit.

A lot of undefeated boxers have unofficial losses. I thought Taylor at least fought to a draw against Pavlik in the rematch but I honestly thought he won the fight 115-113 and I saw several other people including The New York Times had the same score as I did for Taylor. He could have been the first to defeat Pavlik if it wasn;t for politics and the rule of "The undefeated fighter gets the nod in close fights . Calzaghe supposedly lost to Hopkins(I don't think so but a lot of people thought he did). A lot of people still, to this day, thought Mayweather lost the first Castillo fight. Several people thought Jones lost the first Tarver fight(which would have been his first official loss if he did lose). It's just something we have t deal with in Boxing until something really strict happens. Good post. I had Taylor beating Pavlik too.

I thought Edison deserved the call without all the deductions. I haven't watched it for a while but always had AA losing, sans the ref.

Also Guzman vs Funeka, and a lot of people thought Hopkins beat Taylor in their first match(Bully says Hopkins defeated him in both).

A lot of undefeated boxers have unofficial losses. I thought Taylor at least fought to a draw against Pavlik in the rematch but I honestly thought he won the fight 115-113 and I saw several other people including The New York Times had the same score as I did for Taylor. He could have been the first to defeat Pavlik if it wasn;t for politics and the rule of "The undefeated fighter gets the nod in close fights . Calzaghe supposedly lost to Hopkins(I don't think so but a lot of people thought he did). A lot of people still, to this day, thought Mayweather lost the first Castillo fight. Several people thought Jones lost the first Tarver fight(which would have been his first official loss if he did lose). It's just something we have t deal with in Boxing until something really strict happens.