So who'll say Chambers is a bum if Wlad beats him?

Wladimir beat a very good boxer, the sad thing is Chambers is probably the best heavyweight compared to the rest of the other heavyweights. I do criticize Chambers trainer for being so inept though.

Chambers, though much thinner, was in NO WAY what you would call world class shape. He may not be a bum, but it looks like he trains like one.

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I won't ever call him a bum, but it sure looks like a mismatch to me. Chamber's a very light puncher and presents very little challenge to the champ. But it isn't the champ's fault, it's the state of the heavyweight division right now.

I'd go further than that, too bad Sam Peter wasn't american, because if he was, they'd have said he's the greatest thing since since sliced bread. Someone post the RING magazine that says in its front "Sam Peter the HW of our dreams" :nana:

Too bad the Klitschkos are not American and Black, because if they were, they'd be given full credit for their achievements and regarded as great fighters. :nonono: I'd go further than that, too bad Sam Peter wasn't american, because if he was, they'd have said he's the greatest thing since since sliced bread.

Chambers is a good fighter but the size difference for me is what will make it a mismatch. Chambers beat Dimitrenko who is bigger than Wlad but to be fair Wlad is a different level to Dimitrenko.

I won't say he's a bum, if he loses and it's clear then he simply wasn't good enough to beat Wlad. Wlad deserves credit, just because the fighters he has to fight aren't that good doesn't mean he deserves less credit for killing them like he usually does.

A defensive fighter will generally always struggle against Wlad.

Do you see your list of former champions beat? Do you think it is worthy of a top 20 heavyweights of AT spot? Because we have clowns going around lauding them as worthy of one. I like Vitali so I'm going to spare him (for now). Klitschko fans get mad when I say it, but the heavyweight division is garbage and it's not hard to see. #1- Chagaev and Rahman were replacements that were coming off less than stellar performances and took the fight less than a month away from the fight date. Chagaev did not look good coming off his layoff against Carl Drummond and Rahman was buzzed and quit against a fat shot Toney. #2- Brewster was coming off of more than a year of inactivity where he almost retired because he suffered a detached retina in his loss to Lyakovich. #3- It's hard to give Wlad full credit against a Byrd that was coming off of consecutive mediocre performances against Oquendo, Golota, McCline, and Williamson. Wlad gets full credit for the first win, which is probably his best, and that is not flattering for an ATG(?) heavyweight. #4- A 40 year old Ray Mercer 6-7 years out of his prime. #5- So that leaves a narrow points win against Peter and an extremely uneventful win against Ibragimov. UD's of Peter and Byrd are his best wins, true murderers' row worthy of ATG status. (Not to you) Racist? :lol1: ****ing ridiculous. Steelhammer2010 and Carnivore can both suck a cock. brilliant post mate the klitschko nuthuggers find it hard to swallow but everything you said was spot on you cant be a great fighter if you dont have great or atleast near great competition.its that simple

Too bad the Klitschkos are not American and Black, because if they were, they'd be given full credit for their achievements and regarded as great fighters. :nonono: its nothing to do with colour or nationality,but i will sig that quote,just to show people how deluded you are

Chambers loses imo, but not because he's a bum. Wlad is just a cut above the rest aside from his brother.

Yeah, he ran while beating Arreola's face to a pulp. World champions beat by the Klits (current, past or future): Wlad: Chagaev, Rahman, Ibragimov, Brewster, Byrd x2, Peter, Mercer Vitali: Gomez, Peter, Sanders, Hide Plus all the top challengers at the time they've defeated, so yeah... I give credit to Arreola, he came to fight and tried his best, unlike some others we know. Do you see your list of former champions beat? Do you think it is worthy of a top 20 heavyweights of AT spot? Because we have clowns going around lauding them as worthy of one. I like Vitali so I'm going to spare him (for now). Klitschko fans get mad when I say it, but the heavyweight division is garbage and it's not hard to see. #1- Chagaev and Rahman were replacements that were coming off less than stellar performances and took the fight less than a month away from the fight date. Chagaev did not look good coming off his layoff against Carl Drummond and Rahman was buzzed and quit against a fat shot Toney. #2- Brewster was coming off of more than a year of inactivity where he almost retired because he suffered a detached retina in his loss to Lyakovich. #3- It's hard to give Wlad full credit against a Byrd that was coming off of consecutive mediocre performances against Oquendo, Golota, McCline, and Williamson. Wlad gets full credit for the first win, which is probably his best, and that is not flattering for an ATG(?) heavyweight. #4- A 40 year old Ray Mercer 6-7 years out of his prime. #5- So that leaves a narrow points win against Peter and an extremely uneventful win against Ibragimov. UD's of Peter and Byrd are his best wins, true murderers' row worthy of ATG status. (Not to you) Racist? :lol1: ****ing ridiculous. Steelhammer2010 and Carnivore can both suck a cock.

hes a skilled fighter but not skilled enough to make up for the massive size difference between him and wlad

Looking on the outside you can see why this a mismatch. BUT Chambers as of right now is the best opponent who can beat Wladimir and I think he has a good shot, but Wladimir is an 8 to 1 favorite for a reason, and that reason is justified. But my prediction is Chambers pulls off the upset. Chambers is no bum even if he loses to Wladimir.

I'm not saying he's 'so good nobody is a threat'. I'm saying he's good enough that, in this divison, nobody seems to threaten him. That actually can put more pressure on him because those who are on the fence about Wladimir since his comeback are expecting to see him do something magical against these opponents they know shouldn't pose a threat. It'd be like Manny not looking good against Clottey. That's not going to bode well for his mainstream appeal; most expect him to beat and mangle Joshua, they just wonder how and when. I'm saying that Wladimir knows how to use his gifts well enough that, while not always looking exciting, he gets the expected 'W'. So, really, people just start ignoring his fights. 'Oh, here's Wlad against another guy not good enough to beat him. Beat he jabs to a W. Fantastic. I'll skip that.' I'm not saying he's an A+ fighter, winning against guys that are really good. I'm saying critics view him as a B+ fighter plying his trade in a 'C' division. But Wlad looks good, since he's comeback he dominates every fight and usually stops his opponents, what more can he do? The critics that see his opponents as C level are not going to give credit to him no matter what he does, they're just waiting for Wlad to lose so they can say "see, he sucks", IMO. How can you change the opinion of people who think like that? I don't know. I seriously believe their european heritage makes some people dislike him, since HW champions have traditionally been american. Lennox Lewis got the same problem. They say the division is weak and that's why this eastern europeans are winning, because the division is weak, not because they're good. Maybe when they realize the eastern europeans are here to stay (look at most HW prospects: Pulev, Boystov, Helenius...), maybe with time the Klitschkos will get more respect, people will look back and say "so the division was not weak, it was that these european guys really can fight".

I don't see how being so good that nobody is a threat to him can be a knock against Wlad. If you are so good that everybody thinks you'll win automatically you should get credit for it, not criticism. I'm not saying he's 'so good nobody is a threat'. I'm saying he's good enough that, in this divison, nobody seems to threaten him. That actually can put more pressure on him because those who are on the fence about Wladimir since his comeback are expecting to see him do something magical against these opponents they know shouldn't pose a threat. It'd be like Manny not looking good against Clottey. That's not going to bode well for his mainstream appeal; most expect him to beat and mangle Joshua, they just wonder how and when. I'm saying that Wladimir knows how to use his gifts well enough that, while not always looking exciting, he gets the expected 'W'. So, really, people just start ignoring his fights. 'Oh, here's Wlad against another guy not good enough to beat him. Beat he jabs to a W. Fantastic. I'll skip that.' I'm not saying he's an A+ fighter, winning against guys that are really good. I'm saying critics view him as a B+ fighter plying his trade in a 'C' division.

I guess the sentiments expressed by those disinterested in the Klitschkos and the heavyweight division is basically that, while some only see Wladimir as a very good B+ heavyweight who fights tall well and has decent pop, the rest of the division is a C+. A bunch of average big men with no real challengers emerging. That's not Wlad's fault. Really, the feeling is that nobody other than perhaps Haye presents a real threat to his crown, but at the same time he hasn't been garnering much excitement because he tends to fight safely. So, people watch him fight decent heavyweights, look good, grab a late KO or UD, and don't really get excited by his 'robotic' jab/jab/punch type of style. It makes people feel like there's no point in watching him and 'hey, here comes another automatic W' when he signs a fight; but that's the state of the division, not any fault of his. I don't see how being so good that nobody is a threat to him can be a knock against Wlad. If you are so good that everybody thinks you'll win automatically you should get credit for it, not criticism.

Chambers is a good fighter but I believe he's fighting the wrong Klitschko. I believe he would be better suited against Vitali because he's older and slower and would be more susceptible to Eddie's speed than Wlad, even though I still believe that Wlad has mental issues and will wilt if Chambers puts enough starch to him. I don't know that Eddie really hits hard enough to effectivley pressure Wladimir into that sort of mental breakdown, hurt him, and finish the guy. Wladimir's biggest weakness I think is still his chin. In a technical boxing match he's very hard to beat because he uses his size so well and has good speed and decent pop. His jab can be pretty hard if he throws it with intent. Chambers might bring speed to the table, so it should be a better fight than some of Klitschko's outings, but I wouldn't be shocked if Wlad keeps him at a distance, breaks Eddie down, and then counters him to a KO.