First, credit to TitoYuca since this is his sig gif. Everytime I see it, I'm impressed by Floyd's reflexes, but the more I observe Marquez, I start to analyze...
http://i38.tinypic.com/23vl4iv.jpg
...I think if it was Pacquiao, who is much faster than Marquez and does combinations, do you think Floyd would've been hit by the right hook before he can duck?? Or is it possible that Pac would've followed his lead left with the right immediately before Floyd can counter? I notice Floyd leaned back a bit, and if Pac would've made a 3-4 punch combo, would Floyd have been unbalanced and possibly Knocked down?
I think this would be a good clip for Roach to study. What do you guys think?
First, credit to TitoYuca since this is his sig gif. Everytime I see it, I'm impressed by Floyd's reflexes, but the more I observe Marquez, I start to analyze...
http://i38.tinypic.com/23vl4iv.jpg
...I think if it was Pacquiao, who is much faster than Marquez and does combinations, do you think Floyd would've been hit by the right hook before he can duck?? Or is it possible that Pac would've followed his lead left with the right immediately before Floyd can counter? I notice Floyd leaned back a bit, and if Pac would've made a 3-4 punch combo, would Floyd have been unbalanced and possibly Knocked down?
I think this would be a good clip for Roach to study. What do you guys think?
a left uppercut would of quickly followed and connects when floyd ducked the same punch that knocked cotto and marquez and the rest out
i dont think that manny's combos is gonna do ANYTHING to floyd..i wasnt impressed with manny performance against cotto who just skipping around..and how effective was his combo's against marquez..who i thought beat manny twice.. point is i DONT think manny is that fast either...Sure he has speed but thats only gonna get u so far..His right hand is more effective and that may give floyd something to solve in the later rounds..
When floyd fights he only gives u like half of his body to hit..and when u do hit youre basically hitting his arms..manny isnt that fast..so even when he does swing he's gonna leave himself open and floyd will counter..mayweather leans back alot and i dunno if manny has reach over floyd..even if he does im sure its not by much so it wont be so effective..Now if u disagree that hes fast etc then we'll disagree all night...
Im not convinced of manny's speed and manny leaves him self too damn open for every punch he throws..how fast is marquez?
and how often did u see him tag manny? thats my point..manny's combo's work and LOOK nice against past it sitting ducks..mayweather will move, he wont give manny the time of day to let pac throw the combo's he likes right in front of him ..
after round 4..I'll be shocked if pacquiao even wins more then 2 or 3 rounds..
Floyd is just so difficult its f*cked up...
LOL. you must be joking...
David Diaz, "He was just so ****ing fast!"
DLH, "It felt like i was fighting more than one guy"
To answer TS, if that was pac the left would have probably connected. Pac's lead left > that jab JMM through. Punch would have been same speed (more likely faster) and he would have stepped into it, giving a good 3-5 inches of reach. Had it missed he probably would have circled to his right anyways (to avoid May's right hand) and may have dropped the right enough to catch him.
Point is moot though because I doubt PBF would try that kind of counter with Pac, his left is just too damn good and he'd be moving right to were a southpaw would like.
good point. I wonder tho if Pac is fast enough to get in a 2nd punch before Floyd connects with his counter? Which reminds me of how Pac knocked Cotto down when Pac was able to sneak in an uppercut quick enough (his 2nd punch of 1-2 combo) before Cotto's right hook connected. Then again, Cotto isn't Mayweather, lol.
Good argument tho, and thanks for stick with the gif subject.
Oh shut up, your gif subject is crap.
It's hard to follow up a punch when you get hit solidly right after the first.
DE100 basically showed what Floyd did when JMM threw in combination after Floyd pulled back in the gifs he posted. Floyd could probably use his legs to dodge a combo after a pull back too. He'd still be balanced.
But like I said, I doubt it'll be in his repetoire whey they fight. If he'll pulls back in that fight it'll probably be to dodge a punch without countering.
good point. I wonder tho if Pac is fast enough to get in a 2nd punch before Floyd connects with his counter? Which reminds me of how Pac knocked Cotto down when Pac was able to sneak in an uppercut quick enough (his 2nd punch of 1-2 combo) before Cotto's right hook connected. Then again, Cotto isn't Mayweather, lol.
Good argument tho, and thanks for stick with the gif subject.
wtf??! Not sure where that came from but whatever.
LOL yous a trip! HAHAH anyway..... anything can happen but i think mayweather's defense is a problem for anyone and yes including p4p #1 Manny "pacman" Pacquiao....I also think if this fight would happen mayweather will counter pacman all night long. FMJ's defense+counter punching = rape
I don't think you're understanding my question at all, lol, no worries.
lol yeah, agreed, Hatton was pretty much a sitting duck with both his arms down (poor Hatton lol)
No, I didn't say he was off balanced, I know he's pulling back to counter. What I was trying to ask is..if Manny did a combo while Floyd does initial pull back to counter, would it cause Floyd to go unblance, since he can't just pull back and stay pulled back the entire time while Pac is doing 4 combo punch. Obviously in that gif Floyd was fine, since Marquez didn't really follow up his iniital punch.
It's hard to follow up a punch when you get hit solidly right after the first.
DE100 basically showed what Floyd did when JMM threw in combination after Floyd pulled back in the gifs he posted. Floyd could probably use his legs to dodge a combo after a pull back too. He'd still be balanced.
But like I said, I doubt it'll be in his repetoire whey they fight. If he'll pulls back in that fight it'll probably be to dodge a punch without countering.
Then go f*ck yourself...and tell samurai to stop jacking off at pac posters..
Who's jacking off here?
"Floyd is just so difficult its f*cked up..."
GAY!
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thats just fukin amazing
what do you expect? he was fighting an out of shape boxer.
but in general, yes, his reflexes are amazing. it was just even more apparent against a guy that gained 14 lbs or so above his ideal weight class
thats just fukin amazing
yeah, his reflexes is astounding, reminds me of Neo in bullettime :boxing:
Kinda felt really embarassed for Marquez to be honest
i dont think that manny's combos is gonna do ANYTHING to floyd..i wasnt impressed with manny performance against cotto who just skipping around..and how effective was his combo's against marquez..who i thought beat manny twice.. point is i DONT think manny is that fast either...Sure he has speed but thats only gonna get u so far..His right hand is more effective and that may give floyd something to solve in the later rounds..
When floyd fights he only gives u like half of his body to hit..and when u do hit youre basically hitting his arms..manny isnt that fast..so even when he does swing he's gonna leave himself open and floyd will counter..mayweather leans back alot and i dunno if manny has reach over floyd..even if he does im sure its not by much so it wont be so effective..Now if u disagree that hes fast etc then we'll disagree all night...
Im not convinced of manny's speed and manny leaves him self too damn open for every punch he throws..how fast is marquez?
and how often did u see him tag manny? thats my point..manny's combo's work and LOOK nice against past it sitting ducks..mayweather will move, he wont give manny the time of day to let pac throw the combo's he likes right in front of him ..
after round 4..I'll be shocked if pacquiao even wins more then 2 or 3 rounds..
Floyd is just so difficult its f*cked up...
"Floyd's cock is so big. I can barely stuff it all up my ass!"
Shut the f*ck p you nazi, Nobody cares what such a biased motherf*cker posts anyways.
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i dont think that manny's combos is gonna do ANYTHING to floyd..i wasnt impressed with manny performance against cotto who just skipping around..and how effective was his combo's against marquez..who i thought beat manny twice.. point is i DONT think manny is that fast either...Sure he has speed but thats only gonna get u so far..His right hand is more effective and that may give floyd something to solve in the later rounds..
When floyd fights he only gives u like half of his body to hit..and when u do hit youre basically hitting his arms..manny isnt that fast..so even when he does swing he's gonna leave himself open and floyd will counter..mayweather leans back alot and i dunno if manny has reach over floyd..even if he does im sure its not by much so it wont be so effective..Now if u disagree that hes fast etc then we'll disagree all night...
Im not convinced of manny's speed and manny leaves him self too damn open for every punch he throws..how fast is marquez?
and how often did u see him tag manny? thats my point..manny's combo's work and LOOK nice against past it sitting ducks..mayweather will move, he wont give manny the time of day to let pac throw the combo's he likes right in front of him ..
after round 4..I'll be shocked if pacquiao even wins more then 2 or 3 rounds..
Floyd is just so difficult its f*cked up...
I don't think you're understanding my question at all, lol, no worries.
come on be serious ricky hatton is basically lunging in with his chin first floyd fights nothing like that
lol yeah, agreed, Hatton was pretty much a sitting duck with both his arms down (poor Hatton lol)
Ummmm... He wasn't off balance. It's called a pull back counter. He did it plenty to Ndou without the duck under the right hand.
It's only for orthodox jabs and you have to be expecting one coming. Not sure if a southpaw can do it against southpaws, but and orthodox wouldn't do it to a southpaw.
That wouldn't even be in his repertoire if they fought.
No, I didn't say he was off balanced, I know he's pulling back to counter. What I was trying to ask is..if Manny did a combo while Floyd does initial pull back to counter, would it cause Floyd to go unblance, since he can't just pull back and stay pulled back the entire time while Pac is doing 4 combo punch. Obviously in that gif Floyd was fine, since Marquez didn't really follow up his iniital punch.
Ummmm... He wasn't off balance. It's called a pull back counter. He did it plenty to Ndou without the duck under the right hand.
It's only for orthodox jabs and you have to be expecting one coming. Not sure if a southpaw can do it against southpaws, but and orthodox wouldn't do it to a southpaw.
That wouldn't even be in his repertoire if they fought.
what if Pac did this to PBF?
http://i40.tinypic.com/14dot40.jpg
all you hear from PBF fans is "what if, would do this and should win" LOL
not directed toward you OP. just in general
Goddamn! This hurts just watching it! This left hook would drop anybody